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    12 Oct 2012 - 7:42 PM

    Good evening. I'm in the lucky position of having 2k to spend on new gear. I currently have a D90, 50mm f/1.8D, 16-85mm VR and 70-300mm VR. Should I go FF and get a D600 with a 24-85 or stay DX and get a D7000 and get some top 2nd hand lenses?

    Any thoughts?

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    StuartAt e2 Member 91029 forum postsStuartAt vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
    12 Oct 2012 - 7:49 PM

    Welcome to EPZ! What sort of photography are you into? DX cameras are typically more suited to sports / action / wildlife photography and full frame more to landscapes and portraiture. Obviously you can use a DX camera for that too (I do) but that is the conventional wisdom.

    The full frame lenses are going to set you back more too - clearly you have a few DX lenses already, so that may be a consideration.

    Last Modified By StuartAt at 12 Oct 2012 - 7:50 PM Helpful Post! This post was flagged as helpful
    Overread  53745 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
    12 Oct 2012 - 7:51 PM

    What do you want to do with the camera itself? Camera gear purchases and choices need a criteria to fit otherwise its impossible to suggest ideas as to how to use the money (and also very hard for you to choose between options as well).

    An idea of the subjects you like working with; the situations you shoot in; the types of shots you go for.

    Also its a great time to list down any subjects/situations where you have trouble or where your equipment leaves you feeling like you're missing something to get the shot - or any situations where you've just not got the gear to allow you to shoot.

    Once you've put your criteria on the table we can build from there with ideas - you've got lighting, lenses, camera bodies, support, accessories etc.. to choose from. With criteria we can narrow down which area(s) is best to expand into and what options there are within that.

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    12 Oct 2012 - 8:00 PM

    If I had a D90 and liked it, my next step might well be the D600, just for the sake of going FX and getting more megapixels. (My own route map was D80 - D300 - D3s - D800)

    I have no experience of the 16-85 lens, but can vouch for the fact that both your 50mm f1.8D and your 70-300mm VR will work well with a Nikon FX body.

    With the D600 now about the 1600 mark, I'd spend the balance on a really good tripod if I did not already have one.

    Of course, if you go down that route, the next thing you are going to be doing is saving your shekels for new glass. The "dream trio" for FX Nikons tends to be 14-24mm, 24-70mm and 70-200mm but, I am afraid, that trio carries a price tag of about 4000, so it is maybe a longer-term ambition.

    But, of course, Stuart and Overread have really hit the nail on the head. In essence it all depends upon what type of photography you do and in what ways you feel your D90 is less than adequate. Unless, that is, you are like many of us non-specialist amateur photographers who just like having the latest kit without any real rational thought behind our extravagances. Sometimes the professionals on the Forum, who have to justify their acquisitions in ways that satisfy their accountants, get a bit irky with us.


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    12 Oct 2012 - 8:52 PM

    There is a very interesting thread in the forums about the Olympus OM-D EM5. You could get yourself this impressive looking bit of kit for around 1149 with the 12-50 lens, the Olympus 75-300 will set you back another 600 on top. It does seem expensive for a non DSLR but reading the thread and other reviews has convinced me, most definitely my next purchase.

    You'll have a bit of cash left over too.


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    12 Oct 2012 - 8:54 PM

    Thanks for the comments StuartAt, Overread and LeftForum.

    The 16-85 is the only DX lens (the 70-300 is the FF version - great lens!).

    I like a bit of everything - landscapes, bit of wildlife, but want to get into event photography/people a bit more. If I got the D600, I would sell the 16-85. With the D600 wasn't sure whether the Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 would be better for its constant aperture? I've got a tripod - not fantastic but OK. Could do with a decent kitbag - I still use the Nikon bag I got with the D90 which is a bit small now.

    If is stayed with DX, I'd probably go with a D7k and possibly a 17-55mm f/2.8 (2nd hand about 600) and sell the 16-85 and get a 35mm f/1.8 DX. (I could also get the epic Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 and start saving to buy a second hand D600 in a year's time!)

    And yes, LeftForum, there is a bit of wanting the best gear - I don't get many chances like this!

    Last Modified By Riblessman at 12 Oct 2012 - 8:58 PM
    Sooty_1 Critique Team 31125 forum posts United Kingdom192 Constructive Critique Points
    13 Oct 2012 - 12:34 AM

    What is it about your current gear that you can't do? Why do you need to upgrade your whole kit?

    Better to keep your money until you identify a clear need for something you can't achieve with the gear you have.
    New gear won't improve your photography, making the most of what you have, will.

    If you want to do more social photography, you might consider lighting/backdrop options and a spare body (or a new DX one and keep yours as a spare). A solid tripod should be a must, and a decent bag will be worth it's weight in comfort and convenience.


    JackAllTog e2 Member 53469 forum postsJackAllTog vcard United Kingdom58 Constructive Critique Points
    13 Oct 2012 - 8:11 AM

    [quote...but want to get into event photography/people a bit more........... got a tripod - not fantastic but OK. Could do with a decent kitbag ,,,,,,,

    These are interesting points - One or 2 decent flash units would be good too then, battery packs too could be very useful.
    Even a decent multi-pocket jacket may be relevant?

    If your up close and personal on a DX body at events even consider a 10-20 type lens, if you far away then a F2.8 70-200 would be great. wide apertures at events seem to be a real benefit.

    js12  125 forum posts Czech Republic
    13 Oct 2012 - 6:59 PM

    Keep what you have and go on holiday!!!

    franco1  1 United Kingdom
    7 Nov 2012 - 8:44 PM

    ...Or buy an X-Pro 1 + 35 1.4 and go to Butlins in January. Wink

    Paul Morgan
    Paul Morgan e2 Member 1214387 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
    7 Nov 2012 - 10:35 PM

    Quote: I like a bit of everything - landscapes, bit of wildlife, but want to get into event photography/people a bit more

    Keep a bit a side and spend this on a course, it will be money well spent.

    8 Nov 2012 - 3:52 AM

    Well, you already have an SLR and decent lenses. If you've hit limitations with your gear already, then you'll know what you need to buy - no need to ask anyone. If you haven't hit any limitations of your equipment, then you don't need anything yet. There's probably nothing you could buy which could improve your photography. Don't waste your cash.

    Could do with a decent kitbag - I still use the Nikon bag I got with the D90 which is a bit small now.

    I highly recommend a slingshot bag, I use a lowepro unless I'm walking much longer distances, really helps. Remember you don't need to keep every lens in your kitbag! If I were you, I'd leave your 70-300 at home apart from when you really think you'll need it (wildlife maybe). A top quality compact tripod (which should attach conveniently to the side of your bag) will only set you back about $200, which is nothing for your budget.

    Remember - the heavier your camera bag gets, the less portable it becomes.

    8 Nov 2012 - 7:30 AM

    Remember - the heavier your camera bag gets, the less portable it becomes.

    That is very true.

    I alternate between three different sizes of backpack and two different sizes of shoulder bag, depending upon how much or how little gear I have to take. The largest backpack never leaves the car boot!

    LenShepherd e2 Member 62359 forum postsLenShepherd vcard United Kingdom
    8 Nov 2012 - 8:38 AM

    There is no one answer.
    To see what a top photographer can achieve with a D300s, 16-85, independent 70-210, 300 f4 AF-s and a good tripod try http://www.johnwebsterphotography.co.uk/Galleries
    Not many of are this good - even with equipment some perceive as "better".

    KNS  4106 forum posts United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
    14 Nov 2012 - 12:38 AM

    The 50mm 1.8 D works beautifully on a D800, the 70-300vr also works pretty well. One assumes they would also function on the D600. We have a 7000, and don't rate it at all, much refering the D300s. The D600 is over-priced for a FF D7000 IMHO.

    Ultimately your money your choice Smile best of luck.

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