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Interesting stuff and I have no reason to doubt any of it; but there is more to it.
The English Premier League runs like a business. Whilst the 20 teams may compete against each other to win football matches they effectively act as one when negotiating contracts for TV rights, advertising and other form of merchandising. Thus, they keep each other rich and stop those teams, not in the PL, from being able to compete financially. MCFC are part of this and benefit greatly from their share in the revenues this business generates. I don't see that there is a great deal of difference between this and what you allege Platini et al are doing.
Quote: The point being that why did the rules change to stop MCFC being able to spend money?
Bl**dy hell you should be a Celtic supporter. We have huge chips on our shoulders and believe that the entire football establishment in Scotland is designed to ensure Rangers always win everything. It's refreshing to read that other supporters think the odds are stacked against them too.
Quote: To quote a certain Mr James May. Oh, ****!
Newcastle, where were you when English football needed you most?
I am not a United fan, but at least they have not bought the title with a chequebook.
A sad day if Man Shitty win the league.
And I said the same when Chel$ki won the league.
LMFAO ... a beauty ... shame the poster obviously doesnt have any idea what he is talking about 
It isn't even deserving of an educational response however pcheywood has clarified some things very well.
[quote]To quote a certain Mr James May. Oh, ****!
Newcastle, where were you when English football needed you most?
I am not a United fan, but at least they have not bought the title with a chequebook.
A sad day if Man Shitty win the league.
And I said the same when Chel$ki won the league.
And the Rags have never spent loads of money in the transfer market, lol
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Bl**dy hell you should be a Celtic supporter. We have huge chips on our shoulders and believe that the entire football establishment in Scotland is designed to ensure Rangers always win everything. It's refreshing to read that other supporters think the odds are stacked against them too.
The rules may not have been changed particularly to stop Man City spending BUT they certainly were a very big factor - they were positively mentioned and used as an example of what the new rules were set out to combat despite us being only newly wedged up with cash and other teams having been achieving success with massive transfer fees and wage bills for many many years.
Yes bitterness and jealousy us a very ugly emotion - and we will take nothing for granted ... QPR ... we'll see what team City go as .. Jeckyl or Hyde
Imagine if you could only play for a Manchester, Liverpool or any other team if you were from that place with the same principle throughout Europe. Then football would be interesting because I seriously doubt a team would dominate for any significant period of time.
The only positive thing about City is that it must really piss Abramovich off because he took a bit longer to buy the league.
For all of the popular 'hate United', at least they have a couple of players from Manchester 
Quote: Yes bitterness and jealousy us a very ugly emotion
As a City fan you're well rehearsed in that 
Z - you really betray no knowledge of what it is to be a city fan or a football fan - so it doesnt surprise me when ironically you still speak about it. We are not jealous or bitter of United, indeed most of us true city fans have known our place for as long as we have been fans although the bitter jealousy you speak of does sound remarkably like your feelings toward anyone who has managed to succeed in the commercial/capitalist world LMAO ie United (priceless). We have been the poor cousins for as long as we remember and have been humble enough to celebrate each and every win over them like a cup final. Stick to opinions about what you know mate.
As far as united having manchester players - they were able attract, draw and poach local, national and international players from anywhere whereas manchester city have had to create one of the most successful academies for many years and have heavily invested in it and continue to do so far far more now. The trouble has been that they always moved on to bigger clubs as they could not pay the wages or offer the silverware the neighbours could reasonably promise or indeed many other clubs. Also In this nation and indeed world of mobile workforce the idea of players staying in their own town is archaic, naive and unrealistic. Some people even make arguments that not only should a manager of a national team not have to be of that nationality (which they dont) but the players shouldnt either (which I disagree).
The positive thing about City being successful is that they now have the economic power to attract the same players that United have for many years and that city could once only dream about. It has not been an equal sporting playing field for generations - dont feel sorry for united - the sporting playing field just became more level.
Quote: Interesting stuff and I have no reason to doubt any of it; but there is more to it.
The English Premier League runs like a business. Whilst the 20 teams may compete against each other to win football matches they effectively act as one when negotiating contracts for TV rights, advertising and other form of merchandising. Thus, they keep each other rich and stop those teams, not in the PL, from being able to compete financially. MCFC are part of this and benefit greatly from their share in the revenues this business generates. I don't see that there is a great deal of difference between this and what you allege Platini et al are doing.
I never noticed anyone in the two team league with 'makeweights' holding back on the Setanta cash ?
Quote: I never noticed anyone in the two team league with 'makeweights' holding back on the Setanta cash ?
Which "two team" league are you referring to? Most leagues are two (or three) team leagues". Spain (Barca or Real); Italy (Inter, AC or Juve); Germany (Bayern or Dortmund); France (Lyon or Bordeaux); Portugal (Porto, Benfica or Sporting); Holland (PSV or Ajax); Belgium (Anderlecht or Bruges); England (Man Utd, Chelsea or Arsenal). Occasionally circumstances conspire to allow a "makeweight" to win - Valencia in Spain; Lazio in Italy; Stuttgart in Germany; Blackburn Rovers in England. These "big" teams always qualify for the Champions League and so generate huge revenues from TV and from consequent merchandising from new-found, world-wide fans.
But seriously, the cash generated by TV in Scotland is miniscule. Celtic will be lucky to clear £2 million for being champions and even when Setanta were in full flow it wasn't much more. The Old Firm (like the top teams in every European league) rely heavily on cash generated from UEFA TV rights packages, particularly the Champions League. Just qualifying generates around £10-12 million in revenue - 5 or 6 times more than is generated by domestic TV rights.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that the big fish in the pond will always do their utmost to stay big. However unfair it may seem to City fans that these FFP rules work to disadvantage them, they are still in a different league financially from the vast majority of other clubs.
Quote: Z - you really betray no knowledge of what it is to be a city fan or a football fan - so it doesnt surprise me when ironically you still speak about it. We are not jealous or bitter of United, indeed most of us true city fans have known our place for as long as we have been fans although the bitter jealousy you speak of does sound remarkably like your feelings toward anyone who has managed to succeed in the commercial/capitalist world LMAO ie United (priceless). We have been the poor cousins for as long as we remember and have been humble enough to celebrate each and every win over them like a cup final. Stick to opinions about what you know mate.
As far as united having manchester players - they were able attract, draw and poach local, national and international players from anywhere whereas manchester city have had to create one of the most successful academies for many years and have heavily invested in it and continue to do so far far more now. The trouble has been that they always moved on to bigger clubs as they could not pay the wages or offer the silverware the neighbours could reasonably promise or indeed many other clubs. Also In this nation and indeed world of mobile workforce the idea of players staying in their own town is archaic, naive and unrealistic. Some people even make arguments that not only should a manager of a national team not have to be of that nationality (which they dont) but the players shouldnt either (which I disagree).
The positive thing about City being successful is that they now have the economic power to attract the same players that United have for many years and that city could once only dream about. It has not been an equal sporting playing field for generations - dont feel sorry for united - the sporting playing field just became more level.
Thanks very much for that, I feel thoroughly educated on the world of football. Just a last question - who does Laurel Messy play for again?
There have been more posts here in the last 2 days, than in the whole of the season. Roll on next season.
Quote: Bl**dy hell you should be a Celtic supporter. We have huge chips on our shoulders and believe that the entire football establishment in Scotland is designed to ensure Rangers always win everything.
Isn't it? (& before you say anything, I'm not a Celtic supporter )
Quote: Isn't it? (& before you say anything, I'm not a Celtic supporter )
I think we are about to find out. The (lack of) punishment dished out to Rangers for all their past financial irregularities will give us all an indication as to whether sporting integrity actually means anything any more in Scottish football. The SPL are meeting today to discuss and vote on it all.
I strongly suspect that Rangers will be more or less let off with the "too big to fail" argument used to justify the decision. If that happens I think there will be massive discontent amongst the fans of every other club. Celtic fans will be miffed because they won't be able to gloat about the 'Gers being in Division 3. The fans of every other club will know that had it been their club they would have been heavily punished, just like Livingston, Airdrie and Gretna were.
I may be wrong but I fear that what little credibility Scottish Football still has may be about to disappear. I really hope I am wrong.
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