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mossy
mossy  146 forum posts England1 Constructive Critique Points
20 Jan 2013 - 7:46 PM

Scrap the expenses, provide ready built accomodation, so no second home fiddles, reduce the numbers of MP`s and Lords, then a pay rise might be deserved. Looking out my window expecting Porkine Aviators anytime now. Grin

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brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110169 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
20 Jan 2013 - 7:57 PM


Quote: Scrap the expenses, provide ready built accomodation, so no second home fiddles, reduce the numbers of MP`s and Lords, then a pay rise might be deserved. Looking out my window expecting Porkine Aviators anytime now. Grin

Mossy for PM! Grin

gwynn56
gwynn56  260 forum posts England
21 Jan 2013 - 7:27 AM

the state this country in are some of the MP's worth 32% of their present salaries

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139392 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 10:19 AM

MPs are just entertainers. The real decisions are made elsewhere.

SosFM
SosFM  581 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 11:54 AM

MP's at the end of the day are public servants, the public sector has hardly received any pay rise at all in the last year. I work in the public sector and I recently got an enormous 1% rise that has had no effect on all the additional expenditure I am having to pay. I am also paying 50 a month on a redundancy insurance scheme as i really do not know if my job is secure. Its all coming up for review next month! so no i dont think they are worth a 32% pay rise. As everyone else has said, we are all meant to be in this together. Though why I do not know as the only debt i have is my mortgage - so why I am suffering for others debts i do not know.

Lets save some money for starters by pulling all our lads and lasses out of Afghanistan, save shed loads of money and service personnel lives as well.

I strongly believe that for the next election there should be an additional option on every voting slip where you can put a tick in a box next to the statement "I have no confidence in any of the above candidates". If people knew that was an option to vote for it would be a huge wake up call for politicians and banish all the speculation as to why people did not turn out to vote. That would send a clear message to the politicians of this country. They need to work harder like the rest of us before getting paid more.!

lemmy
lemmy  71769 forum posts United Kingdom
21 Jan 2013 - 12:35 PM

The politicians are paid less than most legislators, mainly through their own faults. Every time the subject has come up, the party in opposition speaks against to court short term popularity with voters.

If they could have got together with a cross party agreement to link their wages to, say civil servants, they wouldn't be talking about a stupid 32% rise now. They'd be getting the same 1% as SosFM and his canine colleagues.

Unfortunately we have a system that requires the opposition to vote against even proposals it itself voted for when in power, a kind of lunatic political **** fighting. It's responsible for a great deal of the short termism we suffer from and it affects badly so much of our national life.

JackAllTog
JackAllTog e2 Member 53535 forum postsJackAllTog vcard United Kingdom58 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 12:40 PM

Out of touch indeed.
Two points I'd like to make - both for ensuring they deliver.

One - Fix their maximum term to 2 governments - to force them back into the real world afterwards - keep them keenly seeing what others feel.

Two - check out http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ - look at the Numerology for their activity.
Mine - Jonathan Lord
Has spoken in 13 debates in the last year well below average amongst MPs.
Has received answers to 22 written questions in the last year average amongst MPs.
Has voted in 84.98% of votes in this Parliament with this affiliation well above average amongst MPs. (From Public Whip)


Three ( i know i said 2)
put their salary on top of the voting slip to remind people that THEY are paying these public servants and maybe they should ask for a better deal next time .

gcarth
gcarth e2 Member 102255 forum postsgcarth vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 12:44 PM


Quote: MPs are just entertainers.

Yeah...third rate entertainers! WinkSmile


Quote: The real decisions are made elsewhere.

Absolutely. Nothing will change until we have a real democracy - not just a pretend one. Sad

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110169 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 1:44 PM


Quote: Unfortunately we have a system that requires the opposition to vote against even proposals it itself voted for when in power, a kind of lunatic political **** fighting. It's responsible for a great deal of the short termism we suffer from and it affects badly so much of our national life.



One of the main things I really hate about our system as it ensures that nothing useful really gets done (except by accident it seems)

mikehit
mikehit  46171 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 2:12 PM

What frustrates me is that so many of the laws and rules they pass seem to be done for the sake of being seen to do something or, worst of all, to 'send a message' when existing laws can be used to as good effect.

gcarth
gcarth e2 Member 102255 forum postsgcarth vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 2:47 PM

All I can say is that the rich, whether they be politicians or business fat cats, had better look out because there is going to be a terrible time ahead for them as their callous indifference rebounds on them as ordinary folk seek justice and probably disproportionate revenge too.
O.K. I know my doomsday scenario sounds a bit melodramatic, but I say these things advisedly because the fact is that there is no sign of any movement and no sign of a focused and coherent opposition: There is a boil just waiting to burst and that could be pretty soon, I fear.

Focus_Man
Focus_Man  4481 forum posts United Kingdom631 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 3:05 PM


Quote: 65k a year isn't that much really

it is quite a lot to pensioners, especially when you consider that some of these Hooray-Henry's are talking about taking away our bus passes and winter fuel allowance.

The state pension doesn't really go far and when I mentioned about the benefit classes in an earlier post, there is mention of a Lithuanian lady in the Daily Express this morning who earns legit 125 pw (for 16 hours apparently the threshhold) and is entitled to a further 280 pw in benefits. Naturally she refuses to work more as she herself says, It is not my fault the council is bending over backwards to house me and in addition to pay my council tax and dental bills. It is your stupid laws, not mine.

Perhaps pensioners should have the 65K instead and the MPs have our pensions, then we shall see who should be eating the cake!

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110169 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 3:44 PM


Quote: Perhaps pensioners should have the 65K instead and the MPs have our pensions, then we shall see who should be eating the cake!



So, that's Mossy for PM and Focus Man for Chancellor of the Exchequer - I'd vote for both of you! Grin

mikehit
mikehit  46171 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 3:54 PM

I wouldn't.

But in the tradition of all good socialists, when I am a non-taxpaying pensioner I will. Wink

Last Modified By mikehit at 21 Jan 2013 - 3:54 PM
Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139392 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 4:11 PM

Is there anyone on here who doesn't think they themselves are worth a 32% pay (or pension) rise? Wink

MPs can think what they like. They are getting 1% and that's it.

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