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KevSB
KevSB  101404 forum posts United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 4:28 PM


Quote: about the benefit classes in an earlier post, there is mention of a Lithuanian lady in the Daily Express this morning who earns legit £125 pw (for 16 hours apparently the threshhold) and is entitled to a further £280 pw in benefits. Naturally she refuses to work more as she herself says, It is not my fault the council is bending over backwards to house me and in addition to pay my council tax and dental bills. It is your stupid laws, not mine.
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Unfortunetly this was in the sun which seems to be having a campaign to discredit those who are strugling and get nothing like this.

Turns out this women is a actress that has worked on tv, and loves getting in the papers. aside from the loads that has been discovered and the following is an example, most of what is written is rubbish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-549614/My-son-killed-Kremlin-agents-says-mother-missing-oligarch.html

http://politicsuk.eu/archives/14347

Last Modified By KevSB at 21 Jan 2013 - 4:29 PM
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collywobles
21 Jan 2013 - 5:24 PM

I think the point here is, if you dont like the salary you are on then go get a better paid job. If all you want to do is complain that someone else earns more than you well thats also great so carry on complaining. Its up to each of us.

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110167 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 5:24 PM


Quote: Is there anyone on here who doesn't think they themselves are worth a 32% pay (or pension) rise?

Anyone with any common sense would realise it is a nonsense sum to ask for as it would create massive inflation if everyone got it and industrial / other reactions if only a few did (just an old-fashioned realist's view of course Smile )

mattw
mattw  105189 forum posts United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 5:27 PM

I think they should have their 32% rise.... but with the following conditions:

1) No second (third, forth etc) jobs while they are an MP.
2) Their pay is effectively given as a loan - which will be paid back over a number of years if they then find other employment after being an MP (if it's good enough for students, its good enough for MPs)

Last Modified By mattw at 21 Jan 2013 - 5:28 PM
Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41177 forum posts United Kingdom196 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 6:06 PM

And they pay for their own accommodation, socialising/entertaining, and 'incidentals' like members of their family as secretaries, stationery etc, like everyone else has to. If I got a job in another city, my new employer wouldn't be expected to foot the bill for my 'lifestyle'.

Maybe they should have to attend 'work' (the House of Commons) a minimum amount too, and do their constituency work in their own time.

Nick

lemmy
lemmy  71769 forum posts United Kingdom
21 Jan 2013 - 6:06 PM


Quote: when I am a non-taxpaying pensioner I will

Not many of them about! Pensioners pay tax at the same rate as everyone else apart from a marginally higher tax threshold which is being phased out now. In order not to pay tax, you'd need to have a pension and other income of less than £180 per week. That would equate to a job paying £1.70 an hour less than the minimum wage. If that's your ambition, good luck Wink

I wonder where the idea that when you get a pension you don't pay tax came from? It was never so. Grass is greener, I suppose.

mikehit
mikehit  46170 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 6:37 PM


Quote: In order not to pay tax, you'd need to have a pension and other income of less than £180 per week. I wonder where the idea that when you get a pension you don't pay tax came from? It was never so. Grass is greener, I suppose.

And what part of what I said contradicts what you have said?

lemmy
lemmy  71769 forum posts United Kingdom
21 Jan 2013 - 6:43 PM


Quote: And what part of what I said contradicts what you have said?

"...when I am a non-paying pensioner." That may not be what you meant but that's how it reads. Unless you will have an income less than that, of course in which case what I took as a general remark was a statement of fact.

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139392 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 6:56 PM

I'm sure they don't let you off paying VAT, petrol duty etc when you become a pensioner! Wink

Focus_Man
Focus_Man  4481 forum posts United Kingdom631 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 8:15 PM


Quote:
Unfortunetly this was in the sun which seems to be having a campaign to discredit those who are strugling and get nothing like this.

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As I said in the DAILY EXPRESS

Focus_Man
Focus_Man  4481 forum posts United Kingdom631 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 8:19 PM


Quote: I wouldn't.

But in the tradition of all good socialists, when I am a non-taxpaying pensioner I will. Wink

I too am a tax paying pensioner, like most I guess with my tax free threshhold being brought back to the same as working taxpayers. We must all be in this together!!!!

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110167 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 8:57 PM


Quote: tax free threshhold being brought back to the same as working taxpayers.

me too, but I guess its only fair, we shouldn't be paid extra simply because we have more years of service Tongue

thewilliam
21 Jan 2013 - 9:44 PM

There are a few perks when we pass the age of 60, such as free prescriptions that save me a small fortune and then there's the winter fuel allowance. We do still have to pay Class 4 NICs on business profits when we're past pensionable age and that does annoy me.

thewilliam
21 Jan 2013 - 9:47 PM


Quote:
There is mention of a Lithuanian lady in the Daily Express this morning who earns legit £125 pw (for 16 hours apparently the threshhold) and is entitled to a further £280 pw in benefits. Naturally she refuses to work more as she herself says, It is not my fault the council is bending over backwards to house me and in addition to pay my council tax and dental bills. It is your stupid laws, not mine.



I agree with her! Our rulers have let us down badly by allowing this state of affairs.

StrayCat
StrayCat  1014469 forum posts Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 9:56 PM

I was on a flight home to Halifax years ago, and the gentleman sitting next to me struck up a conversation. I was in my pilot's uniform, so I was a target. Anyway, it turned out he was a Senator in the Canadian Government, which, btw, is an appointed position for life. He told me he was also a lawyer. We talked for awhile, and finally he asked the question he was dying to ask all along, which was; how much money do you make, and I told him. He was in shock, he said; that's twice what I make, and I'm a senator and a lawyer. I looked at him, waiting for him to continue, but he didn't say any more, nor did I. I don't know what his point was; most of us choose what we want in life, and go after it, and it doesn't come easy, or cheap, like the job he had.

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