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    tomcat
    tomcat e2 Member 85744 forum poststomcat vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
    4 Nov 2011 - 10:56 PM

    unbelievable

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    hornchurch
    4 Nov 2011 - 11:31 PM

    the agenda, has been clear In this country for years........ make sure the ultra rich become richer and the poor become low paid workers that line the pockets of the rich........ law and order has been broken since ww2... there is no interest in making crime not pay because in general terms crime victims are not the ultra rich...... there is not a lot of crime inflicted on people in gated mansions with personal body guards........ cheap alcohol junk tv and media creates a society that does not stop to question what is actually going on..... for example the pay increase for bosses of ftse 100 companies has increased by just over 50% this year...... while the low paid receive nothing or 2% ............ crime can be reduced by a great amount if the penalty fits the crime..... but with buffoons like kenneth clarke in charge its not going to happen..... he is so far removed from the normal world the only thing that interests the powers that be is if there cayman island bank account is still accepting the 10-25 non executive director ship payments....... actually non executive is a loose term for " bribe " one example good old tony blair receives 500 k a year as a non executive director of the american bank... Citi Bank...... his son euan has a top job in spookiy enough another American bank.......tony clearly did what he was told and that the way the world works.

    law and order and crime means nothing to the people in charge because they never experience it and are not bothered, remember cameron sucking up to brooke Kinsella pre-election stating a fixed term 5 year sentence for knife carriers...... it was a lie... he is not interested, he employs Philip green as a advisor on spending even though phil dodges almost 300 million pounds of tax per year....... a cozy agreement....... in all this country has politicians of all partys that are so bent they would make a cork screw look straight.....

    tomcat
    tomcat e2 Member 85744 forum poststomcat vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
    4 Nov 2011 - 11:39 PM

    A very lengthy reply David

    I actually agree with most of your commentsSmileSmile

    Adrian

    keithh
    keithh  1022557 forum posts Wallis and Futuna29 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Nov 2011 - 8:13 AM

    Yes but they have nothing to with your linked article.

    hornchurch
    5 Nov 2011 - 9:42 AM

    Well it is there to show that the people that run this country have no interest in the welfare of the majority.....there too busy being cozy with the ultra rich and pocketing back handers and the average person in the street is of no interest to them...... remember Cameron employed Andy coulson because he did not understand or have any connection with working class.

    ......prisons are full but its very easy to build a new prison..... britain forks out millions in aid to other countrys most of which goes missing or never reaches its target...... one tax dodger like phillip green dodges enough tax to build a prison or a hospital every year and there are many like him........ if you comit a serious crime like Rape or murder then a 100 year sentence should be issued.....if you are a immigrant.... that commits a crime you must be deported...... after the sentence has been served because you have forfited your right to stay....

    manslaughter charges are becoming a joke...... people stab or randomly attack people then the CPS take a easy option to go for manslaughter rather than Murder.... There known as the " criminal protection scheme " as a bench mark if you comit murder you receive a life term... which is 15 years...... if you rob a bank with a gun...and do not fire the gun you get 20 years.... the average bank raid nets £2200 the difference between the 2 offences is money...... the powers that be..... see murder as less serious than stealing money from a bank.....

    as a last word politicians will say there tough on crime when there trying to get elected then do the opposite when they get in power because they do not care........

    collywobles
    5 Nov 2011 - 9:43 AM


    Quote: make sure the ultra rich become richer and the poor become low paid workers that line the pockets of the rich................................................................................................................. . . . . . . . .

    What has this got to do with Tomcats post. You do talk a lot of twaddle Hornchurch (and I know it very well).

    €olin

    answersonapostcard
    answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012491 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Nov 2011 - 5:31 PM

    Thats appalling 'justice'. Can a victims family appeal a sentence, like the convicted can?

    Last Modified By answersonapostcard at 5 Nov 2011 - 5:31 PM
    tomcat
    tomcat e2 Member 85744 forum poststomcat vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Nov 2011 - 5:49 PM

    I believe the CPS can, so possibly the police as well

    thewilliam
    5 Nov 2011 - 5:55 PM

    Unfortunately, that sentence is perfectly normal.

    In Minehead a couple of years back, a middle-aged gardener was beaten to death in an unprovoked attack. The Judge handed down "a savage and deterent sentence" designed to send a clear message to other would-be hooligans. These youths were given two years and three years in prison. Thirty months is just the average of the two.

    One should expect life to be cheap in a country that's rapidly becoming a banana republic!

    cambirder
    cambirder  107202 forum posts England
    5 Nov 2011 - 6:53 PM


    Quote: people stab or randomly attack people then the CPS take a easy option to go for manslaughter rather than Murder...

    When it has been deemed that there was no intent to kill then it is manslaughter, murder requites intent.

    The article in this case is rather flimsy in that one has to read between the lines to get the facts. Although it leads with the "fact" that this was unprovoked attack, it also says that both parties had been drinking (how unusual) before getting in a fight over something stupid. Happens in every town every Friday and Saturday night but fortunately in most cases no one ends up dead or in jail for manslaughter.

    tomcat
    tomcat e2 Member 85744 forum poststomcat vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Nov 2011 - 7:04 PM

    You are quite correct Paul.
    What prompted me to post this, was the fact that the judges words, in now bore any relationship to his sentence.

    A 6/7 year hit, might just send the messagee out, to keep your fists in your pocket

    hornchurch
    5 Nov 2011 - 7:39 PM


    Quote: make sure the ultra rich become richer and the poor become low paid workers that line the pockets of the rich................................................................................................................. . . . . . . . .

    What has this got to do with Tomcats post. You do talk a lot of twaddle Hornchurch (and I know it very well).

    €olin

    wow you know Hornchurch..... You are a grade at geography Wink, you could have answered the original poster...... but cleary you do not have a opinion..... keep on criticising peoples posts it must give you a buzz....... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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