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    perkyjude
    perkyjude  346 forum posts England11 Constructive Critique Points
    19 Jul 2012 - 9:11 AM

    Hello Fellow Photographers...I am very keen to try some super slow shutter speeds at the beach with pier etc and I need to buy a ND filter. ...but I don't know which lens to buy it for. I have a wide angle 10-24mm, an 18-105mm and a 70-300mm - which would be best suited to those incredible shots that people have of an old pier, milky skies, ethereal skies etc and also which grad? 10? ...and (sorry) any guidance on brands... don't want to spend a fortune but want nice results.. (don't we all..lol) I have a Nikon D90 and the filter would have to be screw on as I can't afford a whole new system, if that helps. Jude ♥

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    MattB1987
    MattB1987 e2 Member 2407 forum postsMattB1987 vcard England
    19 Jul 2012 - 9:20 AM

    Hey Jude (not joke intended)
    I personally would buy an ND for your 10-24mm lens to begin with to get some striking shots though obviously watch out with buildings and piers etc for distortion from the really wide angles. The only problem with buying ND's for this lens is that they will be some of the more expensive ones to buy due to the larger filter ring size. Depending on how much you want to spend, you can get cheap ones from ebay (e.g. I bought a 10 stop ND Haida filter from ebay which is acceptable from 40) but you can pay upwards and beyond 100 for the top brand ones from B&W and Hoya for screw in filters.

    Another option is to get a square filter holder kit e.g. a Lee 100mm setup and then you can buy a Lee Big Stopper (10stop) and the Hitech equivalents. This would make it easier in the long run for adding ND grads to help keep your sky exposures pukka.

    Hope this helps a bit, I'm sure someone else has even more info to help you.

    Matt

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    mikehit
    mikehit  56312 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
    19 Jul 2012 - 9:27 AM

    you can buy it for any lens - I have one for my 17-55 (I don't have anything wider) but many photos are taken with ND filter on 10-24. It all depends on which lens you prefer for landscapes.
    The ND10 is what I would call a 'specialist' filter and its effects go beyond the 'milky water' effect but do create those 'ethereal skies' you mention. The strongest I have at the moment is ND4 and supplement that with my polariser (another 2 stops) in the few times I have tried this sort of technique. My preferred brand is HoyaProD but there are others such as B+W. If you are using at on a wide/ultrawide makes ure you get the 'slim' filters to reduce vignetting.

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    perkyjude
    perkyjude  346 forum posts England11 Constructive Critique Points
    19 Jul 2012 - 9:43 AM

    Yes.. I do get vignetting already on my 10-24 when I don't bother taking off the UV filter before I add on the polarizer... so that is a valid point...thankyou....also, thinking about polarizers, I do have a polarizer for the 10-24mm so I had forgotten that that would add stops too (as well as vignetting of course). Matt - I will look into the Lee big stopper - thankyou... my camera bag is rapidly becoming a suitcase...lol

    NikLG
    NikLG  91736 forum posts England
    19 Jul 2012 - 9:48 AM

    I suggest getting the largest size that you need. You can get step down rings afterwards so that the filter will fit smaller threads.
    I have a set of grads and a NDs and a 9 stop that are all 77mm for my wide angle lens, and a couple of step-dwon rings so that I can use them on a few different lenses and a different camera ( my x10 ).
    Like yourself, I wasn't keen on spending a fortune on something that I wasn't sure I'd use, so I went for a set of Kood square filters and holders ( I got 2 holders so that I could reduce the depth of one if there were going to be any vignetting issues ), and I got a relatively inexpensive 9 stop ( screw in )).

    Give these guys a go :- Premier
    Here's the set I got :- 77mm filter set
    ..and the 9 stop :- 9 stop

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    StuartAt
    StuartAt e2 Member 91032 forum postsStuartAt vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
    19 Jul 2012 - 12:21 PM

    I have the Lee system and can thoroughly recommend it. The holder also accepts same size filters from other manufacturers. With respect to the Big Stopper, I was lucky to get one when they first came out, but there is quite a waiting list so you may want to consider this if you are looking to get one (I got my system through Robert White - very impressed with the service and they had stock when nobody else seemed to).

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    phil1963
    phil1963 e2 Member 2264 forum postsphil1963 vcard United Kingdom
    19 Jul 2012 - 12:31 PM

    I've just purchased a cokin adapter ring,holder and ND8 filter off e-bay for 9 off ebay. when it stops raining i will be off to the beach to give it a testSmile

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    perkyjude
    perkyjude  346 forum posts England11 Constructive Critique Points
    19 Jul 2012 - 2:01 PM

    The Lee set up is going to be expensive, so I have been looking at all the other options and I came across this...Haida 77mm Neutral Density Filter ND8 (0.9) - 3 Stop ND 8 77 - Neutral Grey - this filter is only 15.99 - any idea why this would be so cheap? and is it rubbish?

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    19 Jul 2012 - 2:06 PM


    Quote: I've just purchased a cokin adapter ring,holder and ND8 filter off e-bay for 9 off ebay. when it stops raining i will be off to the beach to give it a testSmile

    Good deal.

    You may want more than the 3 stops of the ND8, so keep your eyes open for a stronger ND that will fit the same holder.

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    19 Jul 2012 - 2:10 PM


    Quote: The Lee set up is going to be expensive, so I have been looking at all the other options and I came across this...Haida 77mm Neutral Density Filter ND8 (0.9) - 3 Stop ND 8 77 - Neutral Grey - this filter is only 15.99 - any idea why this would be so cheap? and is it rubbish?

    I think that I am correct in saying that Haida is the budget brand of Hoya - who have an excellent reputation. 15.99 doesn't seem particularly cheap - sounds about right. But same question as to Phil - will a 3-stop ND be enough for your needs? The advantage of a slot-in holder set-up is that you can use different strengths singly or in combination.

    perkyjude
    perkyjude  346 forum posts England11 Constructive Critique Points
    19 Jul 2012 - 2:41 PM

    Oh no... this is confusing... what does it mean when it says ND8? I thought that meant Neutral Density 8 but looking at that again, it says ND8 = 3 STOP. I want to be able to take photos like this... http://www.uckfieldphotographicsociety.co.uk/page4.php?view=preview&category... or http://www.flickr.com/photos/saleh_udin/7595281742/ (just picked two at random)

    Would this one do the trick? Hoya 77mm ND400 9 Stop HMC Neutral Density Filter .

    The Lee slot in starter kits are near 200 and that's before I have the correct filter, the Kood P-Type ND Filter Kit (77mm) is 43.99 and I would still need to buy the filter... the idea of lots of bits and pieces puts me off... I am so bloomin' clumsy I can see me dropping bits, but I am less likely too with a single screw in lens.

    phil1963
    phil1963 e2 Member 2264 forum postsphil1963 vcard United Kingdom
    19 Jul 2012 - 2:52 PM

    have a look at this
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cokin-P-type-Square-filter-holder-and-77mm-adaptor-/32...

    and this tells you about filters

    http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/neutral-density-filters.htm

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    NikLG
    NikLG  91736 forum posts England
    19 Jul 2012 - 2:53 PM

    Most of the high NDs are screw-ins, to prevent light leaks. The square / slot in ones have seals on them to try and prevent such things happening.
    I don't know if you can get screw in grads.....but the advantage of using a slot-in system is that you can build up a variety
    of filters ( if you want too ) to achieve different effects...

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    NEWDIGIT
    NEWDIGIT  3401 forum posts United Kingdom
    19 Jul 2012 - 2:54 PM

    The LEE ND10 also known as the big stopper is reputedly one of the best but expensive and in short supply I was recently qouted in excess of at least 26 weeks.
    Personally I would consider a Hoya pro, Kood, set up readily available cheaper and being resin based not as fragile as the glass Lee
    Like NIKLG I would get the larger size and suitable step down rings . Actually the set he got from premier is what I use
    All NDs will give a colour cast, some worse than others, if not set up using a custom white balance.Shoot in Raw so you have more control in processing out any cast.
    On your wide angle consider a wider composition thus allowing you to crop out the vignetting.
    I mainly use my 18-105 on both my D3100 or D7000 simply because there allways glued on the body makes me wonder why I lug my other lenses around with me.
    Just back from the carribean (photo paradise) again and having downloaded over 300 shots (three times as many discarded) I note that there are less than 15%when I changed from the 18-105 and these were for portraits or low light.

    PS bin the UV waste of time on digital sensors but I suspect you have it mainly for protection

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