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Quote: Doesn't mean we all have to go along with that view.
Well said, let's not just go with the flow.
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Quote: I guess that makes the difference between a consumer like me and a pro photographer
Being a professional photographer has very little to do with the camera you own.
I'd sooner see an exhibition of photographs taken by David Bailey on a mobile phone than one by the average snapper on a top line Nikon.
I have recently started taking camera phones more seriously, personally it gives me more pleasure than my D300s.... Actually I also use the Olympus Pen for more serious photos, I assume most of you do not consider that a proper camera either...
I always have my phone on hand and find the quality more than acceptable for what I need, even prints have come out fantastic. At times the phone gives you the opportunity to be more creative, it's more discreet than a "proper camera" allowing better opportunities for street photography. I found a user on Instagram who only photographs commuters sleeping on the London underground, another photographer is taking sunsets in London while commuting. These kind of projects are easier with phones and to be honest I cannot imagine a DSLR would improve the ambiance of these projects.
Are proper cameras doomed? I wonder if the same question was asked when the first digital camera with the floppy disk was released...
PS: Is there a Tag for filtering images from camera phones? I cant seem to find one.
Quote: I assume most of you do not consider that a proper camera either
A mobile phone camera is a camera like any other. It is more suitable than a 10x8 stand camera if you want to take it everywhere with you. However, if you have a commission to photograph a car in a studio for repro on 6 metre poster media the stand camera is more suitable.
Where does the notion 'proper' come from in this context? It means appropriate or suited to a task. You cannot talk about a 'proper' camera without first defining the task you want to undertake with it.
Anyone who does not consider a camera on a phone as 'proper' is really only demonstrating that they don't know what proper means
A better word for the sake of argument would be acceptable. Is a camera phone acceptable? That better expresses the emotional nature of such an argument.
I assumed "proper" meant a device which is a camera only, as distinct from a multifunction device which includes a camera as a component sub assembly.
CB did in the OP actually specify "one which is dedicated to photo-taking, and not something which is primarily a communications device with the camera function", but as we also have cameras in other portable devices which are arguably computers with some communications functionality, and with one or two cameras built in, I think "communications device" is a bit narrow.
The distinction is blurring anyway, as there are more cameras produced with gps and comms functions built in.
I did find, on a country walk last weekend, one of the party wishing they had brought their "real" camera instead of just their phone, and me wishing I had brought the DSLR, and not just the Micro 4/3 job. However I didn't wish for the weight of the DSLR.
Having said all that, yesterday I met a lady who still uses her 35mm camera, and finds the younger people with her all using their phones. I expect she is getting better pictures and they are getting more on the internet.
"Proper" was perhaps too vague a word. I did mean a device which can only take photos and videos. With cameras now coming onto the market, which have built-in wifi, the distinctions are being blurred even more!
An interchangeable-lens camera, into which you can insert a SIM card, is surely not an impossibility?
Ahh Or Arggg
They just sent me new SMART phone
sat nav works
spirit level works
all other apps fine even EPZ works
How the F-- do you use the bit to ring up or answer a call?
It's anything but a feckking phone
Bliss 6 x 6310i's on flea bay can sell smart arse phone and have them and beer.
Photography was once a specialist hobby (for those with SLRs, medium format cameras, etc) and those folk would take time to compose images, think about filters, choose what type of film/slide they would use, and perhaps even process their own images in the darkroom
Along side that, there was the casual happy snapper with their compact camera that saw the light of day on holidays, Christmas, or special events.
That changed with the digital age. Photography became generally more accessible to people, whether they decided to use an dSLR or not. Almost every basic compact camera came with some sort of software that allowed people to process their own images and play around with them in the way that the old 'specialists' did in the darkroom. Even now the vast array of photo apps on Android/iOS is astounding.
But photography, and the true 'photograher' (whatever that is) still exists and always will do. The happy snappers will go back to posting their holiday snaps and drunken pics on facebook, the holiday makers will have their collection of squinty horizons and videos on DVDs to show the family on their return, and the enthusiast will always be stalking the local camera store for a sight of the latest piece of kit. Many of us dont use or need half the functions on our cameras, but we buy them all the same because its what we love.
Technology evolves. Taste change to go with that. But there always be the great photographer/snapper devide
I've enjoyed reading this thread, very interesting comments and quite thought provoking too.
I am awaiting the release of the lumia 920 myself
the good old nokia 808 (mentioned already on here) technology to be put to the test with its various tweaks and and adjustments.
I will reserve my own further personal judgment until then..
Yes nobody seems to be rushing to emulate the Nokia 808. If the technology was in an iPhone or Android device, I guess that could popularise the lossless digi-zoom facility and put another nail in the coffin of compacts.
Quote: Yes nobody seems to be rushing to emulate the Nokia 808.
I think that while people like a decent camera on their phone, it's not a deciding factor in buying one phone or another.
Most people only want to snap family, friends, holiday places and email them to their friends and are aware that almost any camera will do that as well as they need.
Quote: I think that while people like a decent camera on their phone, it's not a deciding factor in buying one phone or another.
Agreed. It's all about 'apps' and form factor!
Inevitably it's the "package" as a whole, for most people, which decides their choice. After all, so-called "smart phones" are really not phones per se, but pocket computers which happen to have a phone 'app', and a camera (or several) built in. The cameras keep getting better, across the board. Some (like Nokia) jump well ahead of the average, not least because it's one way to differentiate their products from the competition. It's bound to be the deciding factor for some, but not for the majority.
Quote: After all, so-called "smart phones" are really not phones per se, but pocket computers
And fabulous too, aren't they? Even science fiction writers and film makers never realised what could be done in such a tiny package. They make the Star Trek communicators look Victorian.
What I am excited about is the Panasonic app for the GH3. I have one on order and the app will let you view the live image on a pad or mobile and operate the camera controls, all over wifi from the camera. So the camera makes its own network, you don't have to be in range of one. Just camera and phone. Makes tethering look old fashioned. Fantastic!
Its not the camera that makes the photographer, its the person behind it.
I've gone through all sorts of cameras since i first got gripped by photography - compact film cameras, 110's, Disc camera, pinholes, manual SLRs, autofocus SLRs, medium formats, lomos, basic digitals, professional DSLRs, iPhones, and probably more too, and i would have to say that each 'tool' has allowed me to capture something that either caught my imagination at the time, or at least captured the memory (which is partly what is all about, is it not?). Thats not to say that there hasnt been a vast difference in quality and control in these cameras, but i have always believed that you make the most of what you have, and push it (and yourself) to its limits
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