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Quote: Logically if I want to take a photograph I use photographic equipment ie a camera.
quality wise - just no contest
It's down to purpose I guess - as I say I use the phone camera instead of my point and shoot - saves carrying two devices and as most of the stuff I'd take on the point and shoot is only for viewing on screen quality isn't an issue.
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Interesting topic. Last week in Sports Illustrated, there was a photographer that had a 2-3 page spread with photos from his iPhone4. He used a few filters but the imagery is really nice looking. Pretty crazy that camera phone images made a national publication and a little scary if you're a professional photographer.
Pretty much the only thing a camera phone can't compete with, on an editorial basis is anything that requires a 200mm on up to capture.
Quote: and a little scary if you're a professional photographer.
Don't agree with that really, a pro can use an iPhone too.
I use a camera to take pictures and a phone to make phone calls. I don't even use text messaging if I can avoid it. Emails? I use a computer for those, whether a desktop or a laptop doesn't really matter.
I'm trying to print more admittedly, but that isn't really the point as I don't use my phone for work, and I carry a compact with me every day. If I take photos at work, which I do fairly often, I process them then print them for display/record keeping and filing.
The sensor size/crop factor argument is going to come into play at some point with phones, maybe I'm just getting old but I prefer a dedicated device for its purpose, especially when it comes to taking pictures.
Quote: I use a camera to take pictures and a phone to make phone calls
I have to admit I don't often use my phone to take photos. The problem is not the camera but the ergonomics of the phone.
Quote: , maybe I'm just getting old but I prefer a dedicated device for its purpose, especially when it comes to taking pictures.
I quite agree, but this is not really 'quaint' ( A very nice English word that) dedicated devices are designed to do that one job. Like a prime lens is designed for a specific focal length, a zoom lens is not as good, as the lens design is a compromise between efficiency its widest and longest focal length.
Few things in life are not a comnpromise! Even a Leica M9P with a full set of lenses is a compromise.
The point about camera phones is that they are always with you, wherever you go, and are available to use at a moment's notice.
In case you haven't already seen them there are some interesting photos here taken with an iPhone, at the Olympics, by a professional photographer.
And an interesting article here about how smartphones (with cameras), coupled with social networking sites, seem to be leading to behavioural changes in the human species!
I think mobile devices are more suited for those "food" or "what I bought today" pictures, things you share on Instagram, but I don't think proper cameras are 'doomed'. Several of my friends at school have iPhones and Samsungs, yet a large proportion have expensive DSLR cameras as well as compacts.
@ Carabosse : interesting article. I agree with what they are saying and for me this was highlighted at the Olympics closing ceremony with all (or nearly all) the athletes had cameras. This extensive use of phones and other cameras by the people at the events will of course have a knock-on effect on sales of images taken by the pro. I used to buy a news paper for the photo(s) in it, I remember buying the Guardian when I was a teenager because of the great football photos it had.
I do love using my phone camera and use it everyday for fun or pictures of my kids. It is as they say in the article a way of keeping a simple visual diary.
Quote: Several of my friends at school have iPhones and Samsungs, yet a large proportion have expensive DSLR cameras as well as compacts.
The question is not ownership but usage. If the camera phones are used for 90% of their photography and 'proper' cameras only for special occasions, that is a very definite change.
Quote: If the camera phones are used for 90% of their photography and 'proper' cameras only for special occasions, that is a very definite change.
I don't know about 90% of the time but I am using my phone for my fun photos, when I am out walking or with my kids. It's just easier than having to download to Photoshop and process. But having said that I love using my SLR too. It's about use of the final image I guess, phone photos end up on Facebook, Twitter or just on the phone. SLR photos end up being sold as prints, published or as part of my longer term projects.
I have a kettle for boling water for tea, a phone for phone calls although i have to confess to texting, a camera for photogrpahy and a video camera for video...
i have no idea, or for that matter interest, in how many pixels my 'camera-phone' may boast, as i would like to consider myself a photographer. modern mobile technology is astounding, especially to us older folk (43) but for a proper image worth actually keeping as a photographic record and not a record-shot fair enough but please why have we even got this 'discussion' here?
are we photographers, snappers or worse ?
To be honest I ddon't think those who inhabit EPZ ("enthusiasts" etc) are representative of the general photographing public.
The vast majority of those who take photos are not enthusiasts.............. but they are the ones who buy imaging devices and from whom manufacturers make most of their profits.
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