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gcarth
gcarth e2 Member 102255 forum postsgcarth vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 6:55 PM


Quote: Aren't we celebrating the 'event' of frustrating the plot and arresting the conspirators.

We need a new Guy Fawkes - a smarter one! Wink

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tomcat
tomcat e2 Member 85867 forum poststomcat vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 7:02 PM


Quote: But then we just had major parades for Remembrance Day, so where is the difference?

Possibly a lot

Having said that Remembrance day is for

1- Remembering those that fell in the Great war - Why? - Because we had to stick our noses in things that did not really concern us - the loss of life is unforgivable

2 - Remembering those that fell in WW2 - Why? - We had to honour a treaty with Poland, who for the next 50 years plus, were subjected to a vile communist, Soviet rule

3 - Remembering those that have fallen in the Falklands, Iraq etc; - modern day soldiers, fighting for modern day beliefs, which eventually might help stabilise the world


My thoughts and condolences are with all of them, but they ( my condolences) do not go to the incumbent politicians at the commencement of WW1 & WW2

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314927 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 7:15 PM


Quote: We need a new Guy Fawkes - a smarter one!

911 ?

Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73818 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 7:25 PM


Quote: 2 - Remembering those that fell in WW2 - Why? - We had to honour a treaty with Poland, who for the next 50 years plus, were subjected to a vile communist, Soviet rule

Are you really saying we should have let Hitler over run Europe? And you think he would have left us Jolly Brits to ourselves? what about all the Jewish communities that were annialated (6 million across Europe), not to mention the disabled, gypseys ets so we should have just sat back and let it happen?

Don't get me wrong war should be the LAST resort, but sometimes it is necassary, where the errors were was that the Western World didn't act quickly enough (Chamberlain, the US etc) AND more should have been done to reintegrate Germany back into the fold after WW1, not hit them with punnative reparasions - but hey hindsight etc etc.

Last Modified By Nick_w at 25 Nov 2012 - 7:33 PM
tomcat
tomcat e2 Member 85867 forum poststomcat vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 7:34 PM


Quote: Are you reallysaying we should have let Hitler over run Europe? And you think he would have left us Jolly Brits to ourselves? what about all the Jewish communities that were annialated, we should have just sat back and let it happen?

Of course I am not, but ask the Palestinians, who had their land taken away from them - by us (Britain)

Imagine living in, say Berkshire, and someone decreeing that you all have to move because we need to repatriate these(someone who wasn't there) people there

Last Modified By tomcat at 25 Nov 2012 - 7:35 PM
Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314927 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 7:36 PM


Quote: Clearly my point was that something does not need to be celebrated JUST because it is part of someone's history, especially if it causes continued division and hostility

Its a celebration that still carries anti-Catholic sentiment, its one of the reasons I don`t celebrate 5th November.

mikehit
mikehit  46171 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 8:06 PM


Quote:

Its a celebration that still carries anti-Catholic sentiment, its one of the reasons I don`t celebrate 5th November.

Does it? I doubt 99% of the population know that that event was about catholic v protestant. I certainly had not given it any thought for 40 years in the context of bonfire night.
It is that sort of perceived slight that causes many disputes to last centuries.

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314927 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 8:20 PM

Maybe its time November the 5th was celebrated in a much more traditional sense with the burning of the Pope, it would quickly get banned.

davidcollins
25 Nov 2012 - 8:48 PM

battle of the boyne 1690 for the start of the orange order

CaptivePhotons
CaptivePhotons e2 Member 111517 forum postsCaptivePhotons vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 8:57 PM


Quote: Maybe its time November the 5th was celebrated in a much more traditional sense with the burning of the Pope, it would quickly get banned.

It happens every year in Lewes. It hasn't been banned yet.

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314927 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 9:09 PM

Its not the same though is it.

CaptivePhotons
CaptivePhotons e2 Member 111517 forum postsCaptivePhotons vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 9:19 PM


Quote: Its not the same though is it.

No, it's a stuffed pope, the real one was busy Tongue

Last Modified By CaptivePhotons at 25 Nov 2012 - 9:22 PM
Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314927 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 9:26 PM

Like us here I don`t think they still burn effigy`s of the Pope.

Edit, yes thet do Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc1lwKfSQ1g

Can`t see going down well in Liverpool Smile

Last Modified By Paul Morgan at 25 Nov 2012 - 9:31 PM
CaptivePhotons
CaptivePhotons e2 Member 111517 forum postsCaptivePhotons vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
25 Nov 2012 - 9:36 PM


Quote: Edit, yes thet do

You beat me to it.

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