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canonfan46
26 Jan 2013 - 1:06 AM


Quote: Im not saying its good for you but i do feel the body make up has something to do with the outcomes

It's a fact..............pumping tar and smoke into your lungs is NOT good for you and will eventually damage your health to some degree. Surely there is no-one who would argue against that.

There is more to it than the headline of cancer as there are many other complaints just as bad as cancer. Unfortunately the symtoms of the damage caused do not show up until its too late.

I have spent all my life quoting that old excuse "What about smoking untipped for 80years, fit as a fiddle". Right up until the guy with the white coat told me "Sorry, your not one of the lucky one's".

Smoking is a filthy habit, it makes you and your clothes stink, it makes you anti-social, it does all the bad things that you KNOW it does...........and if you still keep on smoking......then you really are a mug, and what's worse is that you know it but you will not accept the fact untill one day you are told that you are not one of the lucky one's.

John

p.s.
In case anyone is wondering, no, I'm not about to die anytime soon, but I really wish I had never smoked.

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canonfan46
26 Jan 2013 - 1:23 AM

I have to add this to the discussion......
Every one who ever smoked knows how hard it is to give it up. Its really, really tough. I tried many times through my early years and I found it impossible.

When that guy with the white coat explained a few facts to me, and after I had that last cigarette outside his surgery door, I instantly gave up smoking, just like that. Easiest thing I ever did.

It Is so easy not to smoke a cigarette, when you know you can't.

And I tell you what, the cravings did'ent annoy me in the slightest, it was more important to me that I lived a lot longer than I would have if I continued to smoked.

If there is anyone really trying to give up the habit and feels in the need of a bit of help and motivation, pm me and I will share my experience in an effort to help them quit. Its not a horror story, just a undeniable lesson.

John

Last Modified By canonfan46 at 26 Jan 2013 - 1:32 AM
User_Removed
26 Jan 2013 - 1:31 AM

You can get this for the same price as a pack of fags, read the reviews in the link. Loads of people have used it to stop.

I gave up two years ago and it's one of the best things I ever did. You're not missing anything and gaining loads.

canonfan46
26 Jan 2013 - 1:43 AM

I was sceptical but I clicked your link expecting some sort of mirical chewing gum or other, but I was surprised to see that it was something promoting the use of will power.

It's only will power that will enable someone to quit smoking, and most people think that they do not have the will power required.
What is really required is "Motivation". Until someone really believes that they should give it up, and really understands why, then they have little chance of doing so in the long term.

If you really want to give up smoking, find a real reason to do so. Its easy

Off to bed, without that bedtime cig....

Last Modified By canonfan46 at 26 Jan 2013 - 1:44 AM
llareggub
llareggub  4695 forum posts United Kingdom
26 Jan 2013 - 7:02 AM


Quote: The OP posted a link to a subject in an effort to instigate a discussion. If you had no interest in that subject why not just ignore it rather than dismiss a perfectly good discussion as "serving no purpose at all".

There is nothing there other than a hyperlink to a piece of research that offer nothing new, in fact the only thing different about the research is the data set, I have yet to see anyone say that smoking is good for you, as for discussion I see none just a lot of people saying yeah smoking is bad for you and you should stop or I stopped...

That is not a discussion, I see nothing in the OP that aims at initiating discussion, not even a statement of wow check out this research who would have guessed.

The sentiment, or content does not bother me as all folk are different however I was more than disappointed to open a thread that I thought had the potential to be interesting to find nothing but a hyperlink to a piece of research that concludes that smoking is bad for you, well thanks for that, if only I had known!

TTT
TTT  12559 forum posts Germany
26 Jan 2013 - 10:23 AM

Gave up 1999, April remember it well and never looked back, people do say that I'm the worst convert because I hate smokers...............there.

franken
franken e2 Member 123125 forum postsfranken vcard Wales4 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jan 2013 - 10:34 AM

Both of my parents started smoking in the time when it was considered beneficial to do so. Non of their children followed them.

They both died from smoking related diseases.

Ken

saltireblue
saltireblue Site Moderator 43907 forum postssaltireblue vcard Norway25 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jan 2013 - 10:44 AM

Stopped Easter 2008 after 45 years of 20+ a day.
Best thing I ever did in my life. Quality of life far, far better than it was when I smoked.

Malc

Last Modified By saltireblue at 26 Jan 2013 - 10:44 AM
canonfan46
26 Jan 2013 - 10:47 AM


Quote: people do say that I'm the worst convert because I hate smokers

yes, ex-smokers are the worst critics, probably because they now know the benifits of not smoking.
As a past 60 a-day man, I now detest the sight of cigarettes. The smell of them actually makes me feel sick.

saltireblue
saltireblue Site Moderator 43907 forum postssaltireblue vcard Norway25 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jan 2013 - 12:51 PM


Quote: people do say that I'm the worst convert because I hate smokers

yes, ex-smokers are the worst critics, probably because they now know the benifits of not smoking.


I don't criticise smokers as I know how difficult it is to stop. I was lucky, I succeeded.

Malc

KevSB
KevSB  101407 forum posts United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jan 2013 - 2:31 PM

I too used to be a 50 cigs a day person, packed it in for 4 years then started again, Then about 6 years ago Stopped again, Must admit occasionally miss it a little.

Ive never felt better healthwise, Aside from the massive financial difference, I know I made the right discision when I see co workers running outside at break and lunches to stand in the cold and rain to smoke what is an exspensive addiction to chemicals and that is all it is. The second biggest difference is the smell of peaple who smoke, and for those who smoke and think you dont, Trust me you can from 3-4 feet away. Makes me cringe now when I realise there goes I.

That aside I do believe that Its wrong and unfair to predjudice against smokers with laws when its perfectly legal to Smoke and buy, why should smokers be treated as second class citizens when that is so, and be banned form everyplace. Me I would stop the sale of them completely.
But hindsight is a great teacher.

StrayCat
StrayCat e2 Member 1014794 forum postsStrayCat vcard Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jan 2013 - 9:07 PM


Quote: There is nothing there other than a hyperlink to a piece of research that offer nothing new, in fact the only thing different about the research is the data set, I have yet to see anyone say that smoking is good for you, as for discussion I see none just a lot of people saying yeah smoking is bad for you and you should stop or I stopped...


Are you a smoker? I don't hate smokers, I just can't handle cigarette smoke anymore. It isn't that it just bothers me, it makes me physically ill for several days if I come in contact with it. I admit I did that to others when I smoked, and I'm sorry I did so; we smoked in our home around our children. Today, I shudder at the thought. If you are a smoker, I'll tell you how I quit; as I said, my wife and I smoked for 35 years, but the last 5 years that I smoked, I was disgusted with myself for not being able to quit something that was bothering me more and more all the time. I even smoked in non-smoking hotel rooms. I knew all the smoking areas at all the airports I flew through, and I got to know a lot of the regulars in those places. We were like a group of zombies hanging around smoking.

My commute to and from work was 2000 miles. One day I left home to work a flight to Vancouver, and then on to Toronto; the flight was late, so I didn't have time to go have a smoke during the station stop in Vancouver. On arrival at Toronto, I planned on catching the last flight that night to get home for my stretch of days off. Being late, I was going to have 10-15 minutes to make that last flight, no problem, I had checked in for it at Vancouver, and it was a 5 minute walk from gate to gate. The only problem, as far as I was concerned, was that I hadn't had a smoke since I left home 8 hours before, and I was facing another 4 hours before getting to my final destination. What would you do? Well, I said f**k it, and went and had a leisurely smoke in Toronto, spent the night in a hotel at 85.00 plus trasportation to and from, and wasted my first of 3 days off travelling home the next day. Was I addicted, or what?

When I went in for my next medical, the doc said; you don't smoke, do you? I said; yes I do, and I'd love to quit. No problem he said, and he gave me a prescription for Zyban. Taking this drug had to be on my vacation he told me, because it was a banned substance. I had a couple of weeks coming to me in 2 months time. I got the Zyban, and my wife and I took one per day for 9 days, and we both quit, with no cravings since on my part, and that was Sept. 11, 1999.

At the time that I quit, I was just shy of my 54th birthday. To add to the information in the article to which I linked, 3 years after I quit, I had occassion to have a battery of tests done on my heart and lungs by a specialist, and he said; you've never smoked, have you? I told him I had smoked for 35 years, and he told me there was absolutely no evidence indicating I had been a smoker. I may drop dead tomorrow, but at least I've enjoyed these 13+ years of being smoke free.

These are personal details I'm sharing with the hope of helping someone else give up this habit. My father died of lung cancer at age 62. I was in my late 20s when he died; he smoked a pack of camels every day. He never got to see his grandchildren grow up, and he was dead when our youngest was born.

dcash29
dcash29  81908 forum posts England
27 Jan 2013 - 12:55 AM

KevSB
Quote: But hindsight is a great teacher.

In what respect?

KevSB
KevSB  101407 forum posts United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jan 2013 - 1:43 AM

[quote]KevSBBut hindsight is a great teacher. In what respect?[/quot

Experience has taught me what a filthy habit it is, but before I stopped I would have defended smoking. Now I just see unfortunate victims.

LVanDhal
LVanDhal  1126 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jan 2013 - 2:18 AM

There is one group that you hear very little from in the Smoking/Non smoking debate, and its one that I belong to,
The Mentally ill.
Research has shown that people with Bi polar disorder tend to be heavy smokers, I would put forward the suggestion that if more research were done it might reflect the anecdotal evidence that there is a very high incidence of people, who suffer from any long term mental illness that smoke heavily.
I attend regularly the local mental health center, I have a long term diagnosed Mental health disorder, I am also a very heavy smoker.
According to a recent report People with a mental illness can die up to twenty years earlier than those with out, and a campaine is now under way to try and improve access to health care for the mentally ill, that twenty year shortfall is not attributed to smoking, but to lack of equality of health care.
once a diagnosis is made of a mental illness its been my experience (and that of many others) that any further physical symptoms are wrongly ascribed to the psychiatric diagnosis, often we are told by the medical profession that it is the sufferer who fails to "Understand" our psychiatric diagnosis enough, or it is a recognized side effect of medication, when reporting other physical symptoms, as if the mentally ill are immune to the ordinary diseases of the (so called) sane!!.
As often happens in the life of the long term mentally ill, family have shall we say dissipated and I have no real contact with any relatives as their lives are "Busy" I'm not complaining i should add, just telling it like it is.
Amongst the group that I attend the center with, most of us have had nothing by way of a career, though at times most of us have found paid work, usually of the "Cleaning the toilets" type, occasionally a big employer will agree to take part in some scheam or other ( Mindful employer etc)
and a few of us will disappear"For training" for a month or so, mostly in "How to answer the Telephone" or some such patronizingly simplistic endeavor, usually to return with yet another worthless certificate in "Hygiene and Health" having worked our socks off scrubbing floors or filling shelves to "prove" our "stability" as prospective employees, we meet up, light up, and discuss the bizarre notion that Our behavior has to be shown and judged as predictable at all times, including our illness, before we are considered worthy of the pay roll.
I did manage to secure long term employment a while ago and worked for two years in a Mcjob, unfortunately I achieved this by not disclosing i had a mental illness, and as ever when I did become temporarily unwell I had no other option but to disclose, it was my undoing, it was not greeted with sympathy and understanding but out right annoyance and from then on i was on borrowed time.
I lasted another two years, during which I was teased, then denigrated for my disclosure, thanks in part to the East Enders story line at the time being grossly misunderstood by my co workers.
After resigning and taking the company through the grievance procedure by myself,I won a letter of grudging apology and the certain knowledge that to return would be impossible, I consoled and celebrated this event with a cigarette.
Would i ever give up smoking, no, not a chance, I enjoy it, I've never smoked a cigarette and found it didn't work, its always been a pleasure, all be it a small one.
Do I care if it shortens my life, not a bit, I've sat in far to many geriatric wards, with my elderly father as he died slowly from renal failure to have the luxury of deluding myself in to thinking old age if you are poor and reasonably sane is worth it, I think the way we treat vulnerable people in this society is criminal, and abuse in hospitals is rife, and that is just the normal folk doing it to other normal folk! if you are mentally ill and elderly, the prospects are very grim indeed.
Many times in the smoking /non smoking debate people site emotive personal experience and i do believe they mean them genuinely, it is hard to see a loved one die from smoking related illness and not deeply, fervently,despise the smoking, the facts are clear enough it kills, and i would never suggest that anyone start smoking, or take it up again, but lets not ignore some other awkward facts, the groups that are the most resistant to giving up smoking are also the groups that society consistently marginalize, and those that have managed to quit smoking whilst deserving of congratulations for there personal achievement should not make the mistake of thinking it gives them the automatic entitlement to moral superiority over those who continue to light up, because the philosophy of the smoking shelter is "Good for you, now clear off and leave us in peace to light up one of those small choices we still have in our lives".

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