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digicammad
digicammad  1121988 forum posts United Kingdom37 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jan 2013 - 8:41 AM

I suppose I was quite lucky in a way. One of my early memories of growing up was my dad keeping a chamber pot under the bed so he could dredge his lungs and spit in it in the mornings. Not a nice sound, or sight. He smoked about 30 Woodbines a day for years, then 1 day he decided to give up because of a severe money shortage. He went cold turkey and was hell to live with for about a month, but within a couple of months the chamber pot was gone, the house didn't stink and he was fitter than he had been for ages.

Those memories prevented me from starting, even when under severe peer pressure at Tech.

Ian

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lemmy
lemmy  71773 forum posts United Kingdom
28 Jan 2013 - 5:54 PM

I started smoking when I was 14 and continued until I gave up 15 years ago. I have always loved cycling as a means of transport and one day I was cycling to the shops and feeling very short of breath. It was cycling or smoking, I realised I couldn't carry on doing both and it was the spur to give up. That time it worked, after half a dozen tries over the years. I think it was because I had concrete evidence of the harm it was doing me.

I can now cycle around to Richmond Park and tackle the steep hills there without getting out of breath. Even under stress I've never felt tempted to start again because I realised that smoking had ceased to give me pleasure and for many years, I was just satisfying a craving. I have to say that giving up was awful, a constant struggle for several months and starting again would nullify all that unpleasantness.

One aspect of smoking, drinking and obesity that gets forgotten is that we need some people to do it. The significantly shorter lifespan of such folk (and maybe I'll be one) is what keeps pensions affordable at all for the others, expensive and meagre as they are nowadays.

I love it when people talk about people they know who are 90 years old and have smoked 60 a day all their lives or at 90 still drink a bottle of whisky a day. It's just a failure to differentiate between statistical and anecdotal evidence. For those who think this way about evidence, if you were betting on who would live longest, a man who smoked 60 a day or a non-smoker, which one would you bet on? That's all statistical evidence signifies. It can't be applied to any one individual.

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110181 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jan 2013 - 7:17 PM

Interesting what you say about staistics Lemmy, I do think there is a genetic element to it though.

Both my grandparents smoked and drank (not to excess in either case) all their live and both lived to a good age with no ill-health

Whilst I was a regular smoker I was also having closely monitored and regular health checks because of the chemicals I worked with and my lung efficiency was consistently as good or better than that of others who didn't smoke (to the extent that the company quack one day jokingly told me that he was not going to publish my results as they went contrary to accepted medical knowledge Smile )

Having given up smoking 15+ years ago I continue to have no breathing problems BUT
we all of us exercised hard and regularly and had a good balanced diet and I'm sure that that + genetic make up meant that I was at one end of a statistical distrbution.

It is a foul habit and wastes large sums of money and I wouldn't go back if you paid me (you'd have to ' cos I couldn't afford it now anyway Wink )

Last Modified By brian1208 at 28 Jan 2013 - 7:18 PM
Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314957 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jan 2013 - 7:43 PM


Quote: I can now cycle around to Richmond Park and tackle the steep hills there without getting out of breath

Provided your back dosent give out, I saw that video Smile

StrayCat
StrayCat  1014489 forum posts Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jan 2013 - 8:43 PM

There are many reasons for one person being able to survive smoking, and another not. I remember reading an article in a health news bullitin years ago about a British study done regards the effects of a diet high in fruit content vs low fruit content in one's very young years. The study showed overwhemingly that children who had plenty of fresh fruit in there diet had much healthier lungs in their later years than those who had little fruit in their diet. This may be as a result of demographics, but in this case, a person from a poor family might have more access to fresh fruit year round, than someone from a well-off situation, imo.

Last Modified By StrayCat at 28 Jan 2013 - 8:44 PM
User_Removed
28 Jan 2013 - 11:25 PM


Quote: many reasons for one person being able to survive smoking, and another not

Only one cigarette starts off the lung cancer that kills smokers. The chances of getting it from your first cigarette are like walking into a casino in Vegas and winning a $25M jackpot with your first quarter on the first pull of the lever on the first slot machine you play. It is possible.

However the more times you pull the lever the more tries you have at the jackpot, when the jackpot is cancer you don't want to "win", some might play til they are 90 and never "win", some will "win" at 35.

I think approx 1 in 30 cigarettes will cause a cancer to start, but as cancerous cells are unstable they usually die out without forming a tumour.

StrayCat
StrayCat  1014489 forum posts Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jan 2013 - 11:28 PM

I would add Chris, a lot depends on the individuals immune system.

Keebsuk
Keebsuk Junior Member 132 forum posts United Kingdom
29 Jan 2013 - 12:04 AM

I smoke and I wish to god that I had never started. I started when I was about 17, I'm now 48. I dare not calculate the money I have burnt in during this time. The trouble is I enjoy it, not all ciggies, certain cigarettes are something that I really enjoy.

I have done my best to quit, I managed 5 months once, but have failed miserably. I have tried hypnosis, acupuncture, Nicotine replacement products but at the end of the day it is my total lack of will power that lets me down. Cigarettes are now a major expense yet I still manage to find the cash to buy them. I once read that Nicotine is more addictive than Heroin, having never done hard drugs I wouldn't know or want to test the theory.

I live in hope of a "cure" for my horrid addiction but until it becomes available, I will continue to smoke Sad.

Andy

StrayCat
StrayCat  1014489 forum posts Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jan 2013 - 2:25 AM

Andy, you want to quit, it's a starting point. I didn't give it up until years after I realised I wanted to quit.

As I said above, I used Zyban. I got the prescription and brochure 2 months before I was able to take the medication. There was one little bit of advice in the brochure that might help you build up your will power; When you feel a craving for a cigarette, wait 2 minutes, the craving will pass whether you have one or not." This was so helpful to me. I told my family about it, and when they'd see me about to light up, they'd remind me of that little fact; it worked for me.

Good Luck,
Denny

Last Modified By StrayCat at 29 Jan 2013 - 2:26 AM
Keebsuk
Keebsuk Junior Member 132 forum posts United Kingdom
29 Jan 2013 - 2:57 AM

Denny, thanks and I have heard of Zyban as my brother used it when he gave up. Unfortunately, due to medication I am taking, I cannot take Zyban as well Sad.

Andy

KevSB
KevSB  101404 forum posts United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jan 2013 - 7:35 AM

Andy, there are so many ways to stop, finding the one that clicks with you is the difficult bit. I read someplace that by announcing to everyone you know that you was stopping on a specific date made you so embarrassed to not actually manage it, it worked for me.
I also used patches altho I have a feeling they was just a crutch.
After day one you have to tell yourself your now a non smoker. And keep asking yourself do you want to be a smoker.!

Book an appointment with your health centre for quitting advice and find a method that suits yourself.

lemmy
lemmy  71773 forum posts United Kingdom
29 Jan 2013 - 10:06 AM


Quote: Provided your back dosent give out, I saw that video

Haha! I've solved the back problem now. I was getting problems with my knees too, aching and general muscular pains to a point where again I was again questioning how long I'd be able to carry on cycling. Then I read a piece on statins (which I'm on, having a family history of blood pressure problems. My dad died of a heart attack when he was 39) and that they could cause such difficulties. I changed the brand and 2 months later all the aches and pains and joint problems had gone.

On the ways of giving up smoking, for me cold turkey was the only way. I tried nicotine gum and hypnosis (wonderful) but none worked and I realised that they just gave me an excuse. If I still smoked, the gum wasn't working, that sort of thing. The only way to it do so that I knew it was down to me, and that the only thing that hadn't worked was my own will power, was cold turkey.

It was pretty vile, giving up, I have to say, a three month constant battle. What helped me were a couple of tips from the hypnotist (whose treatment some years ago didn't work for me). Every time you think of picking up a cigarette, imagine the smell of a dirty ashtray and how it would taste to lick it. And then before lighting up, count slowly to ten. For me, where gum and artificial aids don't work, the power of the mind does.

thewilliam
29 Jan 2013 - 10:15 AM

Lemmy, which of the statins had that very useful side-effect of easing your joints?

lemmy
lemmy  71773 forum posts United Kingdom
29 Jan 2013 - 10:20 AM


Quote: Lemmy, which of the statins had that very useful side-effect of easing your joints?

Provostatin. It doesn't so much ease my joints a snot b****r them up like the others did Wink

StrayCat
StrayCat  1014489 forum posts Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jan 2013 - 7:58 PM


Quote: imagine the smell of a dirty ashtray and how it would taste to lick it.

OMG; you're going to have me smoking again.Wink

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