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brian1208 Plus
11 10.7k 12 United Kingdom
19 Feb 2013 10:46PM

Quote:Knowing what is wrong with an image is the path to getting right


Its a part of the path, but its a bit like being told "where ever you want to get to, I wouldn't start from here" Wink

A problem with being told what is wrong without an indication of ideas for improvement is
how do you know if the person telling you what is wrong knows what they are talking about?

It can be made worse of course if the "Critic" doesn't post any images to show that they may do so

If ideas for improvement are given at least its possible to try them out and see if they work for you

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keithh Plus
11 23.7k 33 Wallis And Futuna
19 Feb 2013 11:03PM

Quote:where ever you want to get to, I wouldn't start from here"


I always thought that was good advice. Wink
19 Feb 2013 11:42PM

Quote:Knowing what is wrong with an image is the path to getting right. There may be more than one way to do that.


oh, the force is strong within you Obi Wan Keithobi Tongue
Sooty_1 4 1.4k 213 United Kingdom
20 Feb 2013 12:14AM

Quote:It can be made worse of course if the "Critic" doesn't post any images to show that they may do so


I disagree with this sentiment. You don't have to have a portfolio to have an opinion.

I am no great painter, but I have a good idea of what good art is in a wide variety of genres. Not being able to do something yourself does not stop good critique, and a portfolio on here is not always a good indication of a person's photographic ability. How many art critics are artists themselves?

In addition, someone with no photographic knowledge can still give an indication as to why they think a picture fails, for them. An emotional response is as important as technical ability in most cases.

Nick
ade_mcfade Plus
11 15.2k 216 England
20 Feb 2013 12:27AM

Quote: It can be made worse of course if the "Critic" doesn't post any images to show that they may do so


does that mean it makes it harder to do "revenge" comments about their photos Wink
Robinsons 2 14 United Kingdom
20 Feb 2013 1:05AM

Quote:It can be made worse of course if the "Critic" doesn't post any images to show that they may do so

does that mean it makes it harder to do "revenge" comments about their photos Wink



I feel this would just lower your own intentions ,i mean to get involved in" revenge" comments , i personally comment on very few shots unless i truely like them . if i dont i leave it to people with far more knowledge to critic and be able to back that up ..Wink
StrayCat Plus
11 16.1k 2 Canada
20 Feb 2013 2:39AM
Sure, I get a few comments and votes, but what about the thousands of members who don't respond?Tongue
brian1208 Plus
11 10.7k 12 United Kingdom
20 Feb 2013 7:18AM

Quote:How many art critics are artists themselves


Probably very few and it shows in the value of their judgements! Wink

Much in the way the best films / TV progs are usually the ones that the "Critics" slag off


Quote:It can be made worse of course if the "Critic" doesn't post any images to show that they may do so

does that mean it makes it harder to do "revenge" comments about their photos Wink


what a strange view of life you must have Ade (or am I just too naive, even at my age? Grin )
Sooty_1 4 1.4k 213 United Kingdom
20 Feb 2013 9:19AM

Quote:Much in the way the best films / TV progs are usually the ones that the "Critics" slag off


In your opinion.
But maybe not in terms of production quality/acting/lighting/direction/camerawork/editing/music score or story? Ie the things that they may be judging by are different to whether or not they just enjoyed it?
ade_mcfade Plus
11 15.2k 216 England
20 Feb 2013 9:33AM

Quote:what a strange view of life you must have Ade


being normal must suck Brian.... Wink
joolsb 10 27.1k 38 Switzerland
20 Feb 2013 9:36AM

Quote:Much in the way the best films / TV progs are usually the ones that the "Critics" slag off


Quote:In your opinion.
But maybe not in terms of production quality/acting/lighting/direction/camerawork/editing/music score or story? Ie the things that they may be judging by are different to whether or not they just enjoyed it?



I don't know but I can think of quite a few examples where critical opinion is in tune with public opinion - 'Black Mirror' and 'Utopia' for two. However, critics generally review a wide range of programmes/films, some of which will inevitably fall towards the 'arty' (minority) end of the scale and others will have wider appeal.

I can only go by the reviews I personally have read but I see no direct correlation between critical acclaim and minority audiences.
brian1208 Plus
11 10.7k 12 United Kingdom
20 Feb 2013 9:45AM

Quote:In your opinion.


by definition, as is the majority of input here Grin
Ade_Osman Plus
12 4.5k 36 England
20 Feb 2013 10:05AM

Quote: In your opinion.


Isn't that all a criticism is, just one man/woman's opinion???Wink
brian1208 Plus
11 10.7k 12 United Kingdom
20 Feb 2013 10:25AM

Quote:In your opinion.

Isn't that all a criticism is, just one man/woman's opinion???Wink



"You could say that but I couldn't possible comment"

to misquote Yes Minister Grin

whereas a Critique can be defined as:


Quote:A detailed analysis and assessment of something
mcgannc 6 389 3 England
20 Feb 2013 10:36AM
The meaning of critique can be easily defined...the scope within which you are critiquing though is surely personal and therefore subjective, and as a result always open for debate or criticism by others.

If we all had the same 5 criteria for example that we were critiquing against, there would be greater parity and potentially less misunderstandings...but we're not, we're judging simply by what we individually see, and we all have our own 'maps of the world' unique to ourselves (NLP reference) which in turn means conflict of opinions.

The challenge for us all is to take a step back, remove the 'emotional aspect' from how we interpret a comment, and then make a more pragmatic analysis on whether or not it is a valid piece of advice. And if unsure, ask the question direct to the individual via PM!

Chris

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