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Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 12:03 PM

I do think many of us tend to take up positions at the extreme ends of the argument, when reality often sits somewhere between those extremes.

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phil1963
phil1963 e2 Member 2264 forum postsphil1963 vcard United Kingdom
21 May 2012 - 12:17 PM

My thought on this (if anyone caresTongue) maybe the reason why people think that better cameras make better photographers is that most people gain experience of taking photographs on "entry level" cameras before investing in "high end" cameras,therefore think its the camera and not the experience that make the better image.If that makes sense.

keith selmes
21 May 2012 - 12:45 PM


Quote: most people gain experience of taking photographs on "entry level" cameras

Mine was a Vest Pocket Kodak, probably the B model, http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Vest_Pocket_Kodak
It's an experience alright, but I do think an upgrade helps Smile

keithh
keithh e2 Member 1022910 forum postskeithh vcard Wallis and Futuna31 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:00 PM

I learnt on a Hasselblad - it took me years to get anything like on a Zenit
Wink

JackAllTog
JackAllTog e2 Member 53584 forum postsJackAllTog vcard United Kingdom58 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:04 PM

Interesting point Jools, if ever the camera got this good - would "it" own the copyright?

Quote: Ho-hum. Better cameras can produce technically better images but you still have to practice hard if you want to move beyond seeing the obvious shots. Actually, I'm sure the next big 'advance' will be a geotagged in-camera database of shooting information, along the lines of "You appear to be on Rannoch Moor. That pretty mountain in front of you will make a nice shot, especially if you include the river as foreground interest. I suggest moving three paces to the left and two forwards. 1" at f16 will blur the water nicely and don't forget to use a tripod".
Don't laugh. It's all perfectly feasible.

I think there is 2 or 3 dimensions to the "photographer" here too - somewhat touched on above:
- Artistic eye
- Shooting Experience
- Photoshop experience

If we can all improve by standing on the shoulder's of giants, then choosing the right giant is in itself a skill as well.

As I get better I can see more of my mistakes and recognise the what i need to do to fix them - is it me, the tool or the use of the tool.

User_Removed
21 May 2012 - 1:09 PM

Should you be called photographer's or techy's, because 90% of photo's today comprise of lie's produced by photoshop.

Coleslaw
Coleslaw e2 Member 913403 forum postsColeslaw vcard Wales28 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:11 PM


Quote: because 90% of photo's today comprise of lie's produced by photoshop.

LOL...... we all live in the matrix world as well....LOL

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:12 PM


Quote: Should you be called photographer's or techy's, because 90% of photo's today comprise of lie's produced by photoshop.

Photoshopper? Smile

keithh
keithh e2 Member 1022910 forum postskeithh vcard Wallis and Futuna31 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:23 PM


Quote: Should you be called photographer's or techy's, because 90% of photo's today comprise of lie's produced by photoshop.

Traditional?

Overread
Overread  63746 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:24 PM


Quote: Should you be called photographer's or techy's, because 90% of photo's today comprise of lie's produced by photoshop.

I guess in the old film days photographers were chemists then whilst today they are techys Wink

JackAllTog
JackAllTog e2 Member 53584 forum postsJackAllTog vcard United Kingdom58 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:29 PM

I watched a traditional photographer recently light painting his still life subject, a few minutes of exposure with the torch highlighting some areas and ignoring others with the beam - the finished picture looked amazing, actually much better than the set-up on the table.
He did his dodge and burning directly in the shot - traditional approach learnt when using film.

ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014786 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:43 PM

I like Sierra Nevada Pale Ale

scrimmy
scrimmy e2 Member 6365 forum postsscrimmy vcard Scotland5 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:50 PM

so do I, first had it in San Francisco while on holiday, next time was on the Isle of Skye, it travels well Tongue

ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014786 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
21 May 2012 - 1:53 PM

IN fact, they do a lot of great beers - we get them in Leeds' North Bar - for about 5 a bottle though Sad

User_Removed
21 May 2012 - 1:59 PM

Tog/Kit....a question of balance...seldom found in threads of this type...for me a good photographer will produce good images despite the shortcomings of his available kit...a poor photographer may get lucky with a superior camera but will invariably produce poor images until he/she learns to use said kit and see or plan good images...a question of balance.

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