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    Did anyone see the documentary on Greece on TV last night, its no wonder the country is in the Sh1t!

    TV Program last night gave examples of three people and their equivalent benefits IF they did their same job in Greece.

    Ladies Hairdresser
    Hairdressing is classified as ‘arduous’ job in Greece and therefore entitles a worker to retire on a pension of 90% of their salary and at the age of 54, if the person has children they can retire at 50

    Note: Trombone Player is also classified as an ‘arduous’ job, so is a Pastry Chef.

    Bus Driver
    Salary in UK £21K, Salary in Greece £54K with additional benefits of:-

    • Bonus for turning up to work
    • Bonus if you are married
    • Milk allowance £75pa
    • Bonus if driver is a Parent

    Also can retire at 53.

    Orthopaedic Surgeon

    UK Salary £320K

    In Greece most private work is paid cash in hand. In the example GIVEN A Greek surgeon would earn an extra £1080 per week more than the UK example

    The tax system in Greece is seen as ‘Optional’ so very few people pay any tax at all. In addition the system is writhe with bribes and corruption. Architects will take a £4000 bribe to put paper work thru for planning permission. Garages will ask for a £50 bribe to give you MOT paperwork even tho you pay for the test.

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    gingerdelight
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    8 Nov 2011 - 12:14 PM
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    I'm moving to Greece!!! Wink

    answersonapostcard
    answersonapostcard (Site Moderator)
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    8 Nov 2011 - 12:16 PM
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    How the hell did they ever get to enter the Euro?!

    lobsterboy
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    8 Nov 2011 - 12:19 PM
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    Quote: How the hell did they ever get to enter the Euro?!

    one of the big banks helped them to fake the amount of debt they were actually holding.

    answersonapostcard
    answersonapostcard (Site Moderator)
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    8 Nov 2011 - 12:24 PM
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    Dear god really?! Then that bank should pick up the pieces, not the UK/European taxpayer Sad

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    lobsterboy
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    8 Nov 2011 - 12:32 PM
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    Apparently they did some accounting wizardry to make things look better than they were and Goldman Sacks did a derivative deal to hide $1bn of debt.


    Quote: Dear god really?! Then that bank should pick up the pieces, not the UK/European taxpayer Sad

    Then the banks go bust and we pick up the pieces anyway...

    mikehit
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    8 Nov 2011 - 12:35 PM
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    Goldman Sachs it was - they were investigated by the US authorites for suspicion of fraudulent bookkeeping. While they were 'arranging' the books they then 'bought short' on the Greek debt to make money out of it. As usual, nothing illegal but the sort of underhand dealing that everyone (except those in financial circles of course!) despise.

    mikehit
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    8 Nov 2011 - 12:37 PM
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    Lobster beat me to it Smile

    pabloisme
    8 Nov 2011 - 12:44 PM
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    God I dont know..

    MP's fiddling, cheating and dare I say LYING, mudrock newspapers bunging the kozzers & phone tapping etc. and you getting mildly upset BUT a few greeks getting a payout from the EU and you get MAD! ..... just look at them as unelected MP's

    NOW IF YOU WERE NOT subsidising these greeks they (like the rest of the world!... do!) would collect their subsidy from the benefit office here (greeks in the greekish north london enclave?)

    AND NEXT you'll be picking on teresa may and letting into the UK totally UNFETTERED, a load of illegals with assorted terrorists and villains

    jondf
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    It seems a number of prominent economists advised against allowing them into the EU in the first place. If some of the above comments are true, it sounds like it was a disaster in waiting. What needs to happen now is for those with the power to change matters to get on and do it. If the Greeks want to riot in the streets, that's their business. I'm in agreement with Cameron in that we, as a major industrialised country, cannot continue to bide our time waiting for Greece to make its mind up about the unavoidable.

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    8 Nov 2011 - 1:04 PM
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    (aside)

    Did you hear the new Teresa May joke ?

    "Knock knock"
    "Come in"

    mikehit
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    8 Nov 2011 - 1:06 PM
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    It wasn't even as if the advice was limited to the shady corridors of power - at the time the papers were brimming with reports of how Greece, Spain and Italy were being allowed to cook the books and the launch of the Euro was defferred to give them more time to do so. it came to the point that the big boys were on the verge of blocking Italy/Greece entry to the Euro when it was pointed out that under the strict rules of the game, even France would not qualify! So they had to be (shall we say) 'flexible'.
    It was absolutely clear that the politicians didn't give a toss about the stability of the Euro as long as they got their beloved European project advanced another stage.

    mikehit
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    8 Nov 2011 - 1:11 PM
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    Quote: MP's fiddling, cheating and dare I say LYING, mudrock newspapers bunging the kozzers & phone tapping etc. and you getting mildly upset BUT a few greeks getting a payout from the EU and you get MAD!

    Maybe we have a better sense of proportion than you have.
    Yes, the MPs fiiddling expenses and NoW pnone tapping were morally repugnant but that is as far as it goes. The Greece fiasco/farce/****-up has the potential to bankrupt every nation in Europe (including UK) because of some ridiculously pompous politicians who put their European project ahead of any form of rational thinking.



    Quote: ...a few Greeks...

    Don't make me laugh. The whole population are complicit in the system they have created (or lack of system) by refusing to pay taxes etc.

    pabloisme
    8 Nov 2011 - 1:26 PM
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    Quote: Maybe we have a better sense of proportion than you have.

    I AM SURE YOU were you the dinner lady at our school.

    she had no sense of pro....portion either!

    mattw
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    8 Nov 2011 - 1:42 PM
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    Mike was a dinner lady at School??
    This Greek crisis just gets stranger and stranger

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