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User_Removed
7 Oct 2012 - 10:24 PM


Quote: Learn about the new and improved features in DPP v3.11 with four new videos about the HDR tool, the Compositing Tool, Digital Lens Optimizer, and more

Videos HERE

Thanks Chris

Just downloaded the latest version - wasn't aware of it until you posted

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User_Removed
7 Oct 2012 - 10:55 PM

Just updated everything else as well - Zoom Browser, EOS utilities etc, must make more use of this software as previously said "it's for Canon Cameras"

User_Removed
7 Oct 2012 - 11:34 PM

I always make the point that the algorithms that produce such good Canon in camera jpegs are the same Canon algorithms that you can control in DPP. Canon software for Canon cameras. Adobe's stuff is fab but by its nature it has to be a jack of all trades.

JJGEE
JJGEE  96097 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2012 - 8:23 AM


Quote: by its nature it has to be a jack of all trades.

Why ?

User_Removed
8 Oct 2012 - 9:36 AM

It has to allow for the vagaries of data produced by the cameras of a dozen different manufacturers rather than just specialising in one.

JJGEE
JJGEE  96097 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2012 - 9:45 AM

But surely that is why Adobe has all those camera profiles.... customised for each camera so in fact that is no different than Canon having different profiles for their cameras within DPP ?

Or I am missing something here !

User_Removed
8 Oct 2012 - 10:19 AM

Which profiles in DPP? At Canon the people who invent those raw files create the software to decode them. Adobe don't have access to that proprietary information and have to reverse engineer. Files from a new Canon model will often work immediately in DPP but not ACR.

You're also forgetting that the Canon software engineers can spend 100% of raw development work on Canon files The team at Adobe can't do that, maybe they spend 20% of their time on Canon as they have to think of Nikon, Sony, Olympus etc etc.

Adobe keep pushing open standards for raw, unsurprising because they are constantly playing catch-up trying to decode proprietary raw files from loads of different companies.

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139367 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2012 - 11:18 AM


Quote: Adobe don't have access to that proprietary information and have to reverse engineer.

Do we know that for sure? Adobe are a big organisation with a lot of clout. Is it possible they would have agreements with major manufacturers?

User_Removed
8 Oct 2012 - 11:32 AM

Manufacturers don't want their file formats and the secrets of how they compress information known to other manufacturers. Secrets that affect the speed of shooting and how full cards get.

They will licence to you an SDK which lets your software access their raw files through their own codecs. (Software like Breezebrowser and Faststone use that route) It is limited access, sometimes only to the embedded jpeg.

Don't you recall there was a stink a few years ago when Nikon's encryption was broken Adobe started their DNG initiative in response. Don't think any manufacturers have plans to abandon their custom formats.

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139367 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2012 - 11:40 AM

On the other hand it's in manufacturers' own interests to let the likes of Adobe have sufficient info (but no more) to update their RAW converter, given that (a) the use of Adobe products is widespread and (b) most camera manufacturers' own brand converters are pretty abysmal.

mlewis
mlewis  91470 forum posts United Kingdom
8 Oct 2012 - 12:36 PM

Most camera manufacturers do talk with Adobe so Adobe products can use all the RAW formats. The only manufacturer that doesn't is Sigma which is why Adobe products can't read RAw files form Sigma's cameras with Foveon sensors.

User_Removed
8 Oct 2012 - 2:56 PM

The reason Adobe can't read Foveon sensors has nothing to do with talking to Sigma. Adobe has big trouble with raw files from Fuji Foveon sensors, is that because they don't talk to Sigma or they aren't as good at writing software for Foveon sensors. Sigma's boss said on Twitter they send Adobe loads of info. Adobe can't do the job properly.


Quote: it's in manufacturers' own interests to let the likes of Adobe have sufficient info

Not if it stops the manufacturer from selling their own software which is something Nikon must find lucrative. It's only in the interests of the smaller manufacturers. Ones with dominant market share don't have to let Adobe, or anyone else, know their secrets.


Quote: Most camera manufacturers do talk with Adobe

How do you know this?

Why is it when a new camera comes out it's not already supported by Adobe? Because they don't talk is why.

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JJGEE
JJGEE  96097 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2012 - 3:12 PM


Quote: Because they don't talk is why.

Similarly, one could ask " How you know that" ?

I have recently watched a recorded interview with Eric Chan in which he indicated that Adobe's dialogue with Camera Manufacturers has improved considerably on recent years.

In fact in some cases the support for a camera's RAW file format is included in Camera Raw & Lightroom before the camera is released.


Oh, if you think Adobe's performance in keeping up-to-date with RAW support is lagging somewhat then Apple's is far much worser ! !

Last Modified By JJGEE at 8 Oct 2012 - 3:12 PM
Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139367 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2012 - 4:08 PM

I don't know what is the evidence that Adobe do reverse engineering - that would surely amount to sharp practice on the part of a major corporation with a reputation to protect!

User_Removed
8 Oct 2012 - 4:08 PM

LOL it's common practice in order not to breach patents and to avoid licensing fees

"Cameras that support raw files typically come with proprietary software for conversion of their raw image data into standard RGB images. Other processing and conversion programs and plugins are available from vendors that have either licensed the technology from the camera manufacturer or reverse-engineered the particular raw format and provided their own processing algorithms."

Adobe developed the DNG format, which stands for Digital Negative. The DNG format is openly documented, making it easier for third-party software developers to support the format, instead of having to reverse-engineer the proprietary camera raw files from each camera maker. So far, many camera makers have not adopted the DNG format, but converting your proprietary camera raw files to the DNG format can help to ensure long-term future compatibility of your files.

Canon use insider knowledge for their software and support Canon cameras before anyone else does. End result is what matters and I prefer the output from DPP to that of ACR.

Because Adobe produce such excellent software there's a misconception they are going to be better at every aspect. I don't think they are better with Canon raw than Canon are.

Last Modified By User_Removed at 8 Oct 2012 - 4:13 PM

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