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I am planning to vist the show tomorrow
http://www.rwas.co.uk/en/winter-fair/winter-fair-homepage
But i have juest read this as quoted from there website...
Quote:
•Photographs
The taking of photographs within the Showground is strictly forbidden except by authorised operators or by individuals for private purposes. Visitors are advised that they are not allowed to employ unauthorised photographers on the Showground and are warned against parting with money to, or placing orders with itinerant photographers. Professional photography on the Showground is not allowed except on the Society’s written authority. The Society reserves the right to remove unauthorised photographers from the Showground.
so the question is as an amateur / hobbiest photographer am i or am i not allowed to take photographs??
thanks for any help given.
Daz
In the piece you have quoted, it tells you quite plainly that you can Daz 
If you are a professional (i.e. make money from your photography) then you will need prior accreditation but as it says, if they are for private use, no problem
As I see it, you are OK to take photo's for PRIVATE use. that does not include publishing them on the internet.
Never seen it happen or known it to have happened at this sort of event to be honest. Too many people have SLRs these days - even those with no 'interest' in photography as such
If in doubt, ring or write first. I'd always recommend that
Yep if you are paying the amount that a show like the Royal Welsh show charges, then you have a right to protect your takings and the wages of your staff. Some of these big events cost over a £1000 to attend for the photographers with the RIGHTS to the photography.
If you tried to sell burgers from a portable barbecue beside the established burger vans you would probally get baseball batted to the ground.
Its different if you are taking them for private useage, but if you are armed with business cards going around the warmup rings offering prints then you are fair game to be turfed off site, the site is a private site run by the show association and they make the rules which by purchasing a ticket you agree to abide by.
One show which has agreed to stop people poaching trade in such a way has actually increased in takings to a good level again, so it shows the amount of trade being poached by the weekend warrior
Nobody argued with that, but there are cases where amateur photographers have been denied the right to take photographs because they have been labelled 'professional' merely because they use an SLR', ditto in Canary Wharf etc.
It does happen, but you can only be stopped on privately owned land ,the land owners can choose who they have on the land Amateur or not ,I have no problems with Amateurs unless they get in the way, was funny at one event where a AM asked one of our togs to move because he was in the way of his shots, was told to go and multiply by the said tog!!
Quote: I have no problems with Amateurs
I think " you" clearly do have a problem, the "you" here is pro's in general. They generally speak with disdain about amateurs, are often slagging off "weekend warriors" , complaining about amateurs under cutting pro's etc. I'm not saying in some cases you shouldn't have a problem, but to claim you have no problem whatsoever with amateurs is a nonsense.
As I have said before, most pro's seem to have missed the amateur stage all together, they went from complete beginner to pro, leap frogging the amateur stage all together. They never sold anything cheap, or got up to any of the various nefarious practices that amateurs employ. Nowadays many pro's have a rather inflated opinion of their work, it's all too easy to set up as a pro, but not so easy to deliver "pro" quality work all the time.
Having viewed a lot of pro work, I'm frankly amazed that some would regard themselves as a true professional photographer, a lot are no better than full time snappers! 
The good pro's out there (and thankfully there are still some excellent one's) should have nothing to fear from WW's, they will always make a good living. They are not worried about anyone knocking out cheap prints, they know they can confidently ask top dollar and get it.
a lot of people claiming they are getting top dollar arent really selling much at all.
I was a complete beginner for a while, going to camera clubs to learn and compete, then went through three years of college to cement that knowledge, so cant see where you are coming from for that statement mr whitt. I dont have distain for amateurs, they are no threat to anybody and have a rightfull place in photography, certainly more cameras are sold to ams than are sold to pros.
I have sold plenty of pictures too cheaply, still do at time, I am not that precious of my photography, even give stuff away shock horror.
Weekend warriors are a different matter , when competiting for a ever decreasing pot of money. If they want to be pro they can step up to the mark with increasing costs for insurance and staffing,
This my opinion as tog with over 8 years or working in the trade, unlike yourself who probally only sells a hobby , unlike your main hobby of trolling these forums
Well said abwhitt.
Take photographs were and when you want. Sell to whoever you want. Just keeps your wits about you, if you aren't supposed to be taking photos in a particular location.
After all, you have no overheads, so can keep a far greater percentage of any sales than a pro ever could.
Quote: Take photographs were and when you want. Sell to whoever you want. Just keeps your wits about you, if you aren't supposed to be taking photos in a particular location.
After all, you have no overheads, so can keep a far greater percentage of any sales than a pro ever could.
I would like to think that this was said it gest but more likely it is just the sort of moronic comment that one often gets on internet forums. If you actually knew that people like zentog can be really approachable and will willing give help to others in normal circumstances but when you are running a business and have to pay to be there and then find some brainless moron trying to poach your business for loose change you have a right to defend it. Zentog does not have a problem with amateurs (he has actually taken a number from ephotozine and shown them the ropes of equestrian photography), what he has is a problem with people that interfere with him providing a professional service, as would most professionals regardless of trade, myself included.
I have seen some photographers who would like to find you doing what you described on their patch, and I for one would love to see you trying to extract your lens afterwards.
What I do not understand is why people think it is OK to do just what they want where they want, have they no respect? I did a wedding at the weekend where the vicar said to the congrgation that he did not mind photography but he did not want flash used and they were to follow the kead of the professional. I lost count of the amount of people taking pictures with flash as their cameras were not capable of dealing with a dark church. Is it so difficult to follow the rules?
On private property the owner gets to say who can and can't take photos. So, if the owner has employed (or OK'd) a specific pro to do some work, the pro concerned can quite legitimately tell any anyone else - including another pro - to get lost, so long as he is sure he has the backing of the property owner.
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