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Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1315366 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2009 - 7:46 PM

So 25th fall into the landscape category, sounds about right.

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ketch
ketch e2 Member 6770 forum postsketch vcard Turks and Caicos Islands50 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2009 - 9:49 AM

Errm - 25% of the images had as a key component or focus 'water' - so how does that constitute 'landscape' - sorry I am missing something here.

I always thought there was a distinction between land and water, but you are suggesting not?? Does this mean I can try sand-yachting on my nearest lake and can I sue you if things go wrong?

There is probably less distinction between landscape and streetscape if you really want to split hairs.

Seriously though if this is how categories are justified then it is not surprising we have such significant 'gaps'.

Cheers

Robert

Last Modified By ketch at 20 Aug 2009 - 9:50 AM
Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318443 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2009 - 10:18 AM

I don't want to go into debating individual categories because we have said and we will be introducing a new system of categories/ sub categories which will give you both what you want. It's coming in the new look site which is starting to appear but the gallery is a huge section that needs careful planning and we are getting a few smaller sections built first to test the workings of them

At the moment we've had to be broad to cope with the single layer category system that we have. Buy any book on landscape photography and it will include seascapes, river scenes etc. Street Photography is a cross between portraiture / architecture / journalism, but not close to any. So that's why I added a category. If I'd have known it would add a "why haven't we got a section for ducks" problem I'd have had second thoughts.

So sorry we did this category above others. No harm intended. I totally understand you want a night section and a seascape section, and no doubt many keeping quiet will want some other sections too. The new system will make this better.

But please, please, please use the tags (properly). They are the best way forward for niche aspects of photography.

Last Modified By Pete at 20 Aug 2009 - 10:18 AM
ketch
ketch e2 Member 6770 forum postsketch vcard Turks and Caicos Islands50 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2009 - 10:35 AM

Well I don't want to fall out with anyone Pete (ive only been here five minutes and certainly don't want to get a reputation as a troublemaker) but you make exactly the point. Any book on landscape photography that does this will have a separate category on seascapes (maybe not maritime - which I am trying to lump together) and place this in a different chapter. They don't just liberaly spread sea/waterscapes around and treat them in exactly the same way as landscapes - because you can't.

But as you say Street photography is a mix between the categories you identify so why can't the be lodged in those places??? Maritime and Night-time are distinct and can't be so treated in any convincing way.

I have clearly completely failed to make the case again (for both Night-time and Maritime/water) but I should like your permission to continue with my campaign and if you like to be 'mister angry' of the unrecognised categories.

Very best wishes

Robert

QuentinS
QuentinS  926 forum posts United Kingdom
20 Aug 2009 - 10:38 AM


Quote: "why haven't we got a section for ducks" .

Surely that should read "puffins"?

Quentin

Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318443 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2009 - 10:57 AM


Quote: Any book on landscape photography that does this will have a separate category on seascapes (maybe not maritime - which I am trying to lump together) and place this in a different chapter. They don't just liberaly spread sea/waterscapes around and treat them in exactly the same way as landscapes - because you can't.

Exactly...which is why we will have a subcategory of landscapes when we build the new version. It seems we are in agreement. You just have to be patient for the new system to be built for us to add sub categories Smile

Quote: but I should like your permission to continue with my campaign and if you like to be 'mister angry' of the unrecognised categories.

By all means, but unlike usual campaigns where you haven't been heard. here you have and it's being addressed? So not sure what the point of continuing to say what we know we will fix Wink You could focus this brilliant energy into making other aspects of the community better.

Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73878 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2009 - 11:03 AM


Quote: But please, please, please use the tags (properly). They are the best way forward for niche aspects of photography.

Pete What about putting a note in the upload section (as you upload a pic. as not everyone visits the forums) maybe making it compulosry to add at least one tag - I note even in some of the recent EC/HC's have no tags.

Do the tags also help in external searches (eg Google / Bing / Yahoo etc) if so it would also help the sites ranking?

Rather than us all saying "I want.." lets wait till the new system is in place. The thread seems to have gravitated into this is more worthy that this etc.

I don't particularly care what or how a system works or what categories there are, all I would like is to be able to search / filter effectively when I 'm researching a new area (to me) of photography mainly for inspiration.

ketch
ketch e2 Member 6770 forum postsketch vcard Turks and Caicos Islands50 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2009 - 11:16 AM

Yep I agree - but for my it is about recognition - there is a fantastic history of maritime photography (as indeed there is for night-time and street photography) - but I just feel that there is an element of second division/first division at work here (probably the 'this is more worthy than that' factor noted by Nick above) and that has a 'Mr Angry' effect on me.

But in future I promise I will turn my attention to making the 'community a better place' Pete ...

... what do you want me to do?

Very best wishes

Robert

PS: I think a Puffin category is an excellent idea!

tepot
tepot  104416 forum posts United Kingdom
21 Aug 2009 - 6:17 AM

yeah...we could have

freshwater fish
saltwater fish
stuffed fish
cooked fish......

don't you think we have way too many catagories at the moment, we really should be looking to lump some together, not split hairs still further?

Terry.

Last Modified By tepot at 21 Aug 2009 - 6:18 AM
DOGSBODY
DOGSBODY  51432 forum posts England30 Constructive Critique Points
21 Aug 2009 - 7:40 AM


Quote:
don't you think we have way too many catagories at the moment, we really should be looking to lump some together, not split hairs still further?



I tend to agree with this. A few new categories may be desirable but let's not go overboard.
Seascape, landscape they are all the same to me. Also, I don't use tags and have no wish to do so. Andy

ketch
ketch e2 Member 6770 forum postsketch vcard Turks and Caicos Islands50 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2009 - 7:51 AM

OK Andy - how about your own Misty Morning or Reflection images (both excellent BTW) - you have them categorised as landscape/travel or specialist/abstract = but surely you would agree that both would be far better listed as maritime/waterscape (I think the original suggestion was for this as a category not simply seascape which I conceed is less compelling).

Not too sure about your point Terry but if you are suggesting that we have a Puffin category and that withiin that we have sub categories for freshwater fish, saltwater fish etc then brilliant.

On EPZ I guess there is as much a difference between salt and freshwtaer fish as there is between a landscape and a seascape??

Cheers guys

Robert

Last Modified By ketch at 25 Aug 2009 - 7:51 AM
andytvcams
andytvcams  1110396 forum posts United Kingdom
25 Aug 2009 - 8:00 AM

Does that mean we can have a.

Photo-shopped within a inch of its life category.

Wink

Last Modified By andytvcams at 25 Aug 2009 - 8:02 AM
JamesBurns
25 Aug 2009 - 8:08 AM


Quote: Does that mean we can have a.

Photo-shopped within a inch of its life category.

That's going to be a sub-category of ALL the existing categories Wink

ketch
ketch e2 Member 6770 forum postsketch vcard Turks and Caicos Islands50 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2009 - 8:12 AM

That would e perfect - If we had that category I would never need any other. All my fishscape, puffinscape, nice lightscape,digitaly manipulatedscape images could all go into the photoshoppedscape category.

This is beginning to look a little German!

Best wishes

Robert

JamesBurns
25 Aug 2009 - 8:17 AM

Maybe we could replace all of the categories with just three:

- "Pretty Good"
- "Not Bad"
- "Bag o'*****"

Then we could stop worrying over something so insignificant as how to categorise our work on a website and actually go out and take some photo's?

Just sayin' Wink

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