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    redsnappa
    8 Jun 2012 - 9:30 AM
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    The USP is that the rear lcd uses touchscreen tecnology, it also swivel like on the 60D. DIGIC 5 processor is another upgrade. The 650D uses a 18MP sensor same as the 600D.
    Also the new kit lens uses new stepping motors to aid focussing when shooting videos.
    Canon 650D

    Last Modified By redsnappa at 8 Jun 2012 - 9:43 AM
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    mikehit
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    8 Jun 2012 - 11:51 AM
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    With 9 cross-type AF points and 7fps, where does that leave the 60D? To take ti further, where can the xxD line go without impinging on the 7D?

    strawman
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    8 Jun 2012 - 12:26 PM
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    In my view the 60D took a step down market compared to its predecessors and the 7D pitched in where the logical step on from the 40/50D point. canon have tried to move the 5D up the range so expect the 7D replacement (if there is one) to head upmarket (at least in price, possibly full frame??) leaving the 70D to drop in at the 7D level.

    It is all speculation

    steve_p
    8 Jun 2012 - 8:03 PM
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    [quote]With 9 cross-type AF points and 7fps, where does that leave the 60D? [quote],

    Better overall handling due to the controls and the larger size, I couldnt get on with the 600D, I sold an almost new one at a loss because I didn't like it!
    It seems to me that camera makers are pushing the video capabilities ever upwards. If I wanted to take video I would use my camcorder. Also when I had a Panasonic G2 I found the touch screen a bit of a nuisance tbh.

    lawbert
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    8 Jun 2012 - 8:16 PM
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    Quote: With 9 cross-type AF points and 7fps

    Have a closer gander at the specWink

    mikehit
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    8 Jun 2012 - 9:16 PM
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    Typo - 650D is 5fps which is on par with the 60D.

    DOGSBODY
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    11 Jun 2012 - 2:16 PM
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    The changes seem to be aimed entirely at the movie maker but I assume that you still can't shoot video using the viewfinder. An alternative version of the 600D with an electronic vewfinder would suit me more.

    Last Modified By DOGSBODY at 11 Jun 2012 - 2:17 PM
    mikehit
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    11 Jun 2012 - 3:07 PM
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    Quote: I assume that you still can't shoot video using the viewfinder.

    Nope because to shoot video the mirror has to be out of the way which means the VF is blocked off. If I recal correctly the pellicular VF of the Sony's will permit you to use the VF when shooting video because they do not use a focussing mirror but the pellicule has its own disadvantages.


    Quote: An alternative version of the 600D with an electronic vewfinder would suit me more

    Which would turn it into an oversized CSC Wink

    JackAllTog
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    11 Jun 2012 - 4:02 PM
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    Also ISO is a step higher, the articles above says the "new" sensor and the Digic 5 make this possible.

    If you get higher ISO from on board processing, do you lose some of the the extra noise reduction ability you might get in lightroom 4.1?

    mikehit
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    11 Jun 2012 - 4:11 PM
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    I would presume so because the camera processor and LR will receive the same raw data. The improvement in the processor reduces the differential between the two sets of software.

    strawman
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    11 Jun 2012 - 4:44 PM
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    In recent Canons e.g 5D MKIII the extra noise reduction they mention is in the in-camera JPEG while the RAW files stay pretty well the same. As the 650D is a more consumer aimed camera it could well be that a high percentage of users will use the JPEGs.

    kodachrome
    14 Jun 2012 - 7:30 AM
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    Its seems that more and more Research and development and money is being spent on the video performance of the DSLR and any improvement to the stills side of the camera is just a bi-product and secondary.

    I think for best video performance something like a Panasonic GH2 or one of the Sony SLT cameras is more suited. Me, I would buy a cam corder if I wanted to shoot movies.
    I like the touch screen on my DMC G3 but it has its limitations and is not the panacea that Panasonic says it is, I cannot see Canon being any better.

    The time when Jpegs will be as good as RAW is fast approaching as more in camera PP takes place.

    strawman
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    14 Jun 2012 - 9:21 AM
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    Quote: The time when Jpegs will be as good as RAW is fast approaching as more in camera PP takes place.

    Only if you accept the presets it will apply. for example often I use the tone curves to adjust lighting in the image and I use the exposure control the capture the data range I need and then I adjust the suit the image I have captured and the relative light and shade I want. I cannot think how I could pass that info onto the camera at time of capture and it would be a waste of time doing it at capture. also JPEG compresses to 8 bit colour depth so throws away information in the detail of the shadows and highlights.

    So in short JPEG has limitation that mean it cannot do what I want no mater how good the in-camera processing is. I guess we could move to 16 bit JPEG but what is the advantage over RAW then?? I would rather the camera focused on maximising data capture at time of exposure and I then have the option of default auto processing or selective controlled processing.

    Last Modified By strawman at 14 Jun 2012 - 9:22 AM
    CatLover
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    7 Oct 2012 - 9:35 PM
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    I like the Canon EOS 650D DSLR for its flip out and swivel screen. It will be very useful for me.
    Does anybody know if there is a Nikon model equlivalent which also has the flip out and swivel screen?

    Im new to photography and only have a Panasonic DMC-FZ18 which is like 5 years old. So I want to buy my first DSLR camera.

    So for the price, will a Canon EOS 650D DSLR Camera be better or are there any other brands with a flip on and swivel screen any better?
    Ease of use is also important for me as Im a beginner. Any suggestions or comments would be great! Thanks in advance guys!

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