Canon mirrorless?

Paul Morgan (e2 Member)

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24 Jul 2012 - 4:34 PM

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Show me a small evf

Most of the so called third party evf HDMi are really monitors fitted with a loup, no very practical are they.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Llqw6IghgA8#!

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24 Jul 2012 - 5:13 PM

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Quote: Most of the so called third party evf HDMi are really monitors fitted with a loup, no very practical are they.

I couldn't care less how practical they are - you are still wrong with your statement about the camera not being able to take an EVF. It can.

By the way whose EVFs aren't monitors with a loupe and how long do you think it will take for Cineroid, Zacuto, SmallHD etc to make smaller versions for the M?

Paul Morgan (e2 Member)

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24 Jul 2012 - 7:09 PM

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Quote: I couldn't care less how practical they are

Your a waste of space you are


Quote: I'm currently considering an Olympus OMD-EM5 myself, no need to add things like viewfinders on

Well the EP3 + EVF is about £300 cheaper than an EM5 body, shares the same screen and the focusing on the EM5 is not a great deal faster, and image quality is about the best out of the pens and good enough.

But the extra £300 of the EM5 gives you better IS and video and weather sealing that is pretty useless unless you use the supplied kit lens.

I`ve been debating between the EM5 and Pen for weeks, and I`m no closer to deciding.

I was looking at getting a 12mm as well, again I can`t make my mind up, the Noktor or the Olympus, I`m really tempted to get the Fuji x100 in place of this lens for now.

I think the Pen or EM5 along with an x100 could be a good marriage

Paul Morgan (e2 Member)

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24 Jul 2012 - 8:31 PM

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I can`t see that one dropping much more

Paul Morgan (e2 Member)

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24 Jul 2012 - 8:40 PM

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I wouldn`t call adding a 7" monitor with a loupe thinking outside of the box

If the camera is going to be as good as I think it will be for video, just fit a loupe to the rear screen.

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25 Jul 2012 - 8:50 AM

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Quote: I'm currently considering an Olympus OMD-EM5 myself

I wonder how long it will be before Olympus produce an EM6 with phase detect AF. That's all it needs to make it the full package. You can bet Sony are already working on this for their NEX range.

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25 Jul 2012 - 1:58 PM

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I've just read with, some surprise, the lauding of the new Canon by Ken Rockwell, describing it as.."the world's first serious mirrorless digital camera". Sorry I've not worked out what he means by "serious"!

He then goes on to describe Sony,Panasonic and Olympus as "third tier" . Surely HE cannot be serious, bearing in mind the EM5 and the latest Sony and Panasonic offerings.

I then came across this appraisal from Kirk Tuck at "The Visual Science Lab" , which paints, if that's the right word, a rather different picture....


"Canon missed the whole point. Really.

I'm sure that many people will buy this camera. But why?

Let me back up and say that this camera will probably be a nice camera. Why? The promise of good high ISO performance which seems to be so important to so many amateur photographers. The familiar name. The minimal design. A nice bright screen on the back. A normal hot shoe and.......that's about it.

I'm amazed at both the price and the offering. Let's start with the ultimate deal killer: At $799 you get a point and shoot camera, with an interchangeable, single focal length lens, that you must hold at arm's length in order to focus or view the image. There's not even a port for an add-on EVF. Have Canon not been paying attention to the growing legion of photographers who have figured out just how great EVFs are? How cynical. The cunning corporate concept seems to be that the iPhone and iPhoneography have so dumbed down picture takers that now the dirty baby diaper camera hold is considered a reasonable standard? I guess no one shoots in the sunlight anymore. I guess no one wants a really stable camera hold.

It's basically a re-do of their boring G1X bloated compact camera but without the swivel screen, without the pop-up flash and without even the benefit of a creepy, point 85 plastic optical viewfinder. So you actually get a lot less stuff but the same performance for the same basic price point? And this makes sense to rational photographers? How?

I want to ask the people who have already rushed to pre-order one of these from Amazon, "What were you thinking? Have you never seen a Panasonic G3 or G5 or GX1? or Olympus EPL-2? Or even a Canon rebel T3i?" There are so many great bargains out there that this camera seems unbelievably cynical.

For the majestic price of $799 for what is basically a box camera you could have a Nikon D3200 with 24 screaming good megapixels, a very decent VR kit lens, a real optical finder, a built in flash, and four 32 gigabyte SD cards. You'd end up with a decent and flexible zoom lens and a camera with a real finder and an LCD screen. Two for the price of one.

Is it the size? Surely people have read the reviews of the Sony RX 100 which is about 1/3 smaller and probably makes images that are just as good.

I hope someone can explain it to me because I'm mystified. What is the appeal? Is it just "safe" because it's a Canon?

If I were in the market for a small, mirror-less camera I'd be waiting for the next generation of Olympus Pen cameras. If they incorporate the IBIS and sensor of the OMD EM-5 Canon buyers who later compare will probably be reduced to tears. Oh well. To each their own....I guess.

edit: July 24: a more detailed discussion of the new Canon can be found on ATMTX's blog:
http://blog.atmtxphoto.com/2012/07/23/the-canon-eos-m-how-does-it-stack-up/ It's a good read."

I agree, well worth reading.

rhol2

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25 Jul 2012 - 2:33 PM

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Quote: the lauding of the new Canon by Ken Rockwell, describing it as.."the world's first serious mirrorless digital camera".

For those of us who have known about KR for many years, this comes as no surprise. He lives by means of attracting visitors to his website, so anything
controversial attracts more visitors = more money for Ken. I don't think he necessarily even believes much of the stuff comes out with.

I was being a bit tongue in cheek when I mentioned my "surprise".. I've looked at his pontifications on many occasions, but I fear that he does believe it..he seems to have a monster Ego.