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I am looking to move up to a dslr.I was going to buy one a while ago but there is that much choice.
I have settled on three models,Canon 600d,Nikon D5100 and the Sony A57 all with 18-55 lens included.
I am leaning more towards the Sony as it seems to have more features and has image stablisation built into the camera.It also has more fps.
I like to do all kinds of areas eg,landscape,sports and macro photography.
I have £1000 to spend on camera and telephoto lens and macro lens filters and so on.
Please could you guys give me some advice.
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I have said many times to folk thinking of buying a first dSLR - "Toss a coin between Nikon and Canon and then stick with your choice".
Forget Sony. I have no confidence in their future in the dSLR market.
If I were buying a first dSLR today, I would undoubtedly go for the Nikon D3200. No point buying old technology when you can afford the latest.
The reason I say "stick with your choice" is that, if you become an enthusiastic photographer, you can bet your bottom dollar that in a couple of years you will have spent 10 times as much on lenses and accessories as you spent on a your camera body. You are buying into a system; not just a model. That's why it really does have to be either Nikon or Canon in my view.
....and, as you may have noted on another thread, the advice that I gave to someone who was wondering what lenses to buy for his new dSLR (a D3200 as it happens) was to spend three months with the kit lens and keep a note of where and when you feel restricted by it. Only then are you in a position to make the most sensible choice of additional lens(es). In fact, as I said to him, the first accessory to buy is probably a sturdy tripod, especially if you are inclined towards landscape photography.
Advice that not many would follow, but I totally agree.. I spent many months with only the"kit" zoom, at the time an 18 -70mm. THEN realised I favoured motorsport and a longer zoom would come in handy..
Played with some cheapo macro filters for fun, then settled on an actual macro lens..and so on.
The D3200 looks damn good too..wouldn't mind a play myself!
I would always advise going to a shop and handling the cameras to see if one feels better than the others. If you don't like using the camera then it may put you off, or like many stories I've heard in the past on various forums, people selling one system for another, just because it didn't feel right and they couldn't get on with the camera. In this case it's even more important because the Sony isn't a DSLR, it's a SLT , (single lens translucent), and so has an electronic viewfinder as opposed to an optical viewfinder of the DSLR. Only the individual can say whether they like the EVF or not.
I know when I was buying my first DSLR it was between the Canon 350D and the Nikon D70. I was planning to buy the Canon because it had just been released, and seemed a slightly better deal than the Nikon, but when I got to play with them, the Canon was too small, and my knuckles were rubbing the side of the lens. When I picked up the D70 it just felt right, and had a solidity to it. The 350D felt very plasticy by comparison.
As for the differences between Canon, Nikon and Sony. Sony are late to the DSLR market, and may have already left if they believe that there CSC cameras are their future, or that their SLT technology has totally replaced their DSLRs.
Canon and Nikon are pretty similar with regard to tech, and the breadth of their range of cameras and accessories.
Like I said, see if you can play with them, especially the Sony and the EVF, to see which one you prefer.
If you want a true DSLR then you have to restrict your choice to Canon or Nikon, and Nikon seem the obvious choice at the moment. And if you have intentions of becoming professional then it seems sensible to stick to Canikon because they provide the best pro support.
However, as you've already noticed, the A57 has a vastly better spec than the similarly priced Canikons. It also doesn't leave out nice features (like in-body lens motors, cf D5100). I've recently changed from a Sony A700 to an A77 and I'm completely sold on the SLTs and the EVF. The things I like about the EVF are that you can see what the picture is going to look like (so you can check the exposure), you get more info in the finder, you can magnify the image to check focus (with focus peaking indications) which is helpful for macro, you can look at the picture you've just taken in the EVF (easier to use than an LCD on a sunny day), it's bigger and brighter etc. IMO it's considerably better than the DSLR OVF. Also it allows a very fast frame rate, proper video, no camera shake and seems less prone to front or back focus. The days of the OVF are numbered. For all these advantages there's a price to pay - you lose about 30% of the light to the sensor. Seems a bargain to me.
I would suggest you look at the micro-four thirds (MFT) systems and the Panasonic G3 is a good price. The MFT cameras are smaller and lighter than DSLRs which means you are more likely to take them with you and I you don't give much (if anything) away on quality on entry-level APS-Cs. And even if you decide to get a DSLR in the future the MFT is a great second system to have for general shooting. If I was starting from scratch I would find reasons not to take this line. The creme de la creme of MFT is the Oympus OM-D and on the Olympus OM-D thread there are comments that the camera has rejuvenated their photography.
The advantages of DSLR are practical rather than image-based: you have access to a wider range of specialist lenses, the menu systems are more based on buttons than on-screen menus so it is easier to change settings, they are generally better for tracking moving subjects (the MFTs can do it, just that DSLRs are better) and because they are generally larger they are more comfortable for people with big hands.
Every one and his brother has a Canikon, its no surprise as they are the two biggest system cameras with the biggest user base in the world with probably the best customer back up.
Its worth giving Pentax a look as I think they are now bringing out some very desirable and high spec DSLR's at sensible prices [K30/5]. Having said that I used a Sony SLT A57 for a day and it was an absolute pleasure to use and it had all the direct function buttons at hand which Nikon seem to have omitted on their entry level cameras. Of course as previously said, look at the M4T systems before you jump in.
Thank you to everyone for all advice and tips.I went to the shop and tried all cameras.I settled on the Nikon D5100.It fitted like a glove.The Sony a57 was a handful and the Canon 600d and 650d i found awkward in handling. I am only starting out in photography after 31 years out.The choice of kit is overwhelming
So again thank you to everyone and maybe i'll get a good photo posted.
Nothing and yet everything to do with the question, when anyone comes to see me for advice I want to see the last 50-100 photos they took, including their failures.
From this I have a good idea of the sort of images they like taking, what they are doing well and where they could improve.
Once I know all this I can give targeted advice.
On a detail a "macro" for copying documents can cost a lot less than a macro good for butterflies. If by "macro" you mean something like a rose - do you need a macro anyway?
An 18-55, while good value for the low cost (£30 with some Nikon bodies) is below the potential performance off the bodies you have in mind.
I agree with the Nikon D3200 as a probable front runner. Right now, it has the most advanced body in your price range.
Using WEX as a starting point the Nikon D3200 with 18-55 is £549 and the Canon 60D with 18-55 is £569.
Buying one or the other now and deciding what other lenses are best for you in 3-6 months could be a better option.
Very sound comments and advice from Len.
Have had two Sonys the first an Alpha A350 which I realy couldant fault as it made a great SLR for someone Upgading from a Bridge camera. Then I Bought a A65 SLT which strictly speaking isnt an SLR as it has an electronic viewfinder but it takes some amazzing Pictures and has 24 million Pixels resolution so does everything I need.''
Pentax or Olympus?
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