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Canvas Printer


jjmills 9 153 Scotland
29 Aug 2006 1:38PM
Hi can anyone recommend a good canvas printer...

I have been looking at HP Designjet 130gp.

Specs say it can handle upto 210g/m2, canvas suppliers say canvas weight is 360g/m2 except for Inkjet canvas.

Is inkjet canvas any good?

Any help greatly welcomed.

Thanks

John

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BOB S e2
12 2.6k
29 Aug 2006 5:59PM
John,

I have the HP 130nr, and it is a very good bit of kit.

However I have not used it with canvas, if you can lay your hands on some samples I would be more than happy to run some tests. Bear in mind it requires at least an A4 sample just to produce a profile.

BOB
keithh e2
11 23.4k 33 Wallis And Futuna
29 Aug 2006 6:40PM
The 130gp handles canvas just fine on recommended weights and the results are very good...but before you spend nearly 1.5K on a printer be aware that even if you can generate enough business for it, you'll also need a good RIP..could be another 1K, depending on which you go for and the whole package may need a server.
jakabout e2
10 1.7k 1 United Kingdom
29 Aug 2006 8:12PM
I have the HP Designjet 130nr - excellent printer. It happily prints on the HP canvas which is 340gsm and other brands like the 3P matt portrait canvas, also 340gsm - BTW these are inkjet canvasses.

Only problem is the automatic cutter wont cut through the 3P as it's not rigid enough. Works perfectly on the HP canvas.

You can't really go wrong with this printer BUT you're limited size wise, for canvasses you can only print a max viewable area of 20" on the shortest side.

Keith - why would one need a good RIP? I haven't got one and colour matching isn't an issue .... at least no-one's complained so far :o)I just use the standard sRGB profile to print, not CMYK.

Judi
keithh e2
11 23.4k 33 Wallis And Futuna
29 Aug 2006 8:22PM
Well for one you could profile in RGB, proof for all intended ouputs, tell the printer exactly how much ink to use, resize better than any GF, PS bicubics, nest your images to save paper, deliver exact cost per print calculations and deliver absolute precise results from each and every subsequent print...for starters.
jakabout e2
10 1.7k 1 United Kingdom
29 Aug 2006 8:33PM
Thanks Keith - I guess if you're doing high volume printing then it's worth it.

For me it isn't because most everything I print is unique. I haven't bumped up against the problem of resizing because so far I've managed to have enough resolution in existing image sizes to print at 300dpi at the max size possible.

Of course, on canvas, you can print at a lower resolution with no loss of quality - and I'm a perfectionist - I'd not accept it otherwise :o)

Nesting images - well if you're doing more than one, to save paper you can just do that in PS. Well I do anyway.

You can tell the printer how much ink you want it to lay down as well as to save paper / canvas as well - it will automatically rotate the image to use the least paper.

But again, I don't do high volume printing. I can, however see why RIP software would be very useful in other circumstances.
keithh e2
11 23.4k 33 Wallis And Futuna
29 Aug 2006 8:43PM
Easy answer is to look at how many serious printers use a Proofer without a RIP. They don't exist for no reason.
Wink
jakabout e2
10 1.7k 1 United Kingdom
29 Aug 2006 8:52PM
Hmmm? Lost me now :o) What's a proofer? I'm a "serious" printer [not in the sense you mean, I suspect] and I've not hit any snags but hey, I'm not a pro - maybe my expectations are lower ;o)

Hang on, let me rephrase that, my "clients" expectations are perhaps lower than those you deal with. Mine are Joe Soaps who just want a cool canvas of their kids, their dog or whatever. And they get the best :o) And they all love me :o) Honest.

If you're a serious printer then yes - get RIP software.
BOB S e2
12 2.6k
29 Aug 2006 9:22PM

Quote:You can't really go wrong with this printer BUT you're limited size wise, for canvasses you can only print a max viewable area of 20" on the shortest side.


Where does this limitation come from ?

BOB
jakabout e2
10 1.7k 1 United Kingdom
29 Aug 2006 9:26PM
Cos it's only a 24 inch printer - your shortest side can be max 20" if you're intending to stretch the canvas. You need to leave room for the canvas to wrap around. Of course if you're doing gallery wraps then it's not an issue but you're still only going to get around 20" in actual viewable area.

Course if you're printing on paper you've got the full 24" to play with.
_ e2
9 535 4 Virgin Islands, British
29 Aug 2006 9:30PM
Looking for a good printer for canvas prints? Epson 7800 or 9800 with Imageprint RIP would be the choice of most low to medium volume printers.
For high volume printing requirements it is better and cheaper to farm the work out to specialised digital printers.....I tend to use Panda Print for high volume work simply because they do a good job at a fraction of the cost that I can on my Epson 7800, mind you their printers start at around 350,000.....a little above what I'm willing to pay for a printerSmile

I use Epson water resistant canvas 350gsm. It has a slightly warmer white than the Epson semigloss photopaper but this is not a bad thing and certainly it shows prints off very well indeed.
If you're going to be doing canvas printing, patience is definately the key. Don't be in a hurry to stretch the print over the stretchers (2-3 days minimum will pay dividends later) don't be in a hurry to roll prints up to send out in tubes (again 2-3 days makes a huge difference later) Beware of folks promising 24 hr turnaround times, the canvases need to cure...no matter what anyone might say.

John

Edit
One huge advantage of using a print RIP with either the 7800 or 9800 is that you don't get the waste margins that Epson's own drivers seem to have built in, anything up to 8 inches on double cut prints........that is a considerable chunk of canvas at the end on a week's printing. The RIP really does save a huge load of time in PS and also does a far better job of upsizing files for print
jjmills 9 153 Scotland
30 Aug 2006 8:39AM
Hi,

Thanks for all the replies...

I am looking to do low volume to start.

Any more suggestions out there...

Good printers...

Good papers and suppliers...

Good third party printers who would do it for you...

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