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Challenges - waste of time or what?


Pete e2
13 18.7k 96 England
21 Aug 2008 3:09PM
I wish people could be honest! I loved entering a challenge and then going through marking other entries, often with higher scores than mine. I agree having the option to mark removed did kill some of the enjoyment. Maybe having an option to only score same or higher than your entry would resolve that? "I mark mine 8 and yours one" syndrome

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fauxtography 9 6.6k 36
21 Aug 2008 3:17PM
I'm with you on that Pete, I like marking other shots... I'm certainly not going to mark people down because there's is "better". The marking only higher might work, but so would making voters names apparent, it could apply to only those that have entered an image maybe?
bppowell 13 2.1k 2 England
21 Aug 2008 3:39PM
I would like to mark and enter as well, and I do like the challange gallery, just sometimes get a little annoyed.

Maybe the mark same or higher option in the way to go.

Barry
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
21 Aug 2008 7:49PM

Quote:Haven't been in for ages, but will admit to sometimes trying to "even" out votes


I good example of tactical voting

If a little less of this went on the voting would be better and fairer, simply give a score on a picture that you think its worth.

Don`t vote lower than you would normally simply because you feel the overall score is a little high, in time the scores will balance out.


Quote:You can contact the Challenge Gallery editor Paul Morgan who can and will look into it for you, or raise a report through the normal channels


Pm me with a link to the challenge.
csurry 12 9.2k 92
21 Aug 2008 7:57PM
When I say I gave one pic a 4 I was being generous - it wasn't even worth a 2 in my book!

But they don't balance out.

When a photo gets 1 vote and sits on 9 for ages, but a better pic has 8 votes and averages 8.87 or something. If no-one bothers to vote then it does not even out.

The people in the comp can't vote, so unless you can influence the vote what is the point of anyone else visting the challenge. There is no incentive to vote except for people getting their friends to vote for them.
bppowell 13 2.1k 2 England
21 Aug 2008 8:35PM
So that's it, I need more friends Wink

The people who post to a particular challange are the ones interested in that challange but they cannot vote. Most of the others have no interest in that challange so probably do not even look at it.

Perhaps we could have a different way of averaging the votes, maybe using the Norm for the score rather than the average (I think it's the Norm, most common number in a sequence), you should not get such drastic variations then.

Barry
StrayCat e2
10 15.5k 2 Canada
21 Aug 2008 8:49PM
It's too bad people are involved, isn't it? They always seem to screw things up.
Carabosse e2
11 39.7k 269 England
21 Aug 2008 9:28PM

Quote:It's too bad people are involved, isn't it? They always seem to screw things up.


Very true. Until we come up with a fully computerised system for assessing everything - clicks, challenge points, critique points etc I'm afraid we're stuck with poor old homo sapiens!
Tony_W 7 128 5
21 Aug 2008 9:57PM
Just been reminded of the challenges section by this topic so thought I'd revisit. I left after 5 minutes of looking as you can't click through the images easily if you want to see them larger than thumbnails. I don't see how you can evaluate an image by viewing the thumbnail alone so why is it possible?
Also the thumbnails appear to be shown in current ranking order. This makes it easy for tactical voting. Why not leave the images in upload order and leave disclosure of the totals/winner until the challenge is closed. This way you vote on the image, not how others have voted.
Tony
lobsterboy e2
11 14.2k 13 United Kingdom
21 Aug 2008 10:08PM

Quote:I left after 5 minutes of looking as you can't click through the images easily if you want to see them larger than thumbnails.


Yes you can..sort of - sometimes. You can't do it from the winning pic but if you click on the original pic you have the same left & right buttons we have in the gallery.
Tony_W 7 128 5
21 Aug 2008 10:37PM

Quote:Yes you can..sort of - sometimes. .....if you click on the original pic you have the same left & right buttons we have in the gallery.


Tried this and after 3 images I was back to the original, missing out on loads of others.

Why not make is simple for us and yourselves and stick to the same process as the main gallery?

Tony
Lou_C 7 755 2 England
21 Aug 2008 10:57PM
I think the challenges need a time limit or something. I entered a photo in April and it never got a vote, nor have any that were added afterwards. So obviously no one is really looking at the challenge, apart from those who want to enter, and then they cant vote.
Carabosse e2
11 39.7k 269 England
21 Aug 2008 11:01PM

Quote:I think the challenges need a time limit


It could make the system more meaningful. Perhaps a one or three month limit. If there are no further entries after the first, auto-deletion of the challenge after expiry of the time limit.
fauxtography 9 6.6k 36
21 Aug 2008 11:03PM
There is a time limit, it is just set by the challenge originator
Carabosse e2
11 39.7k 269 England
21 Aug 2008 11:20PM
There is no time limit visible. Any time limit should, perhaps, be a fixed one.

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