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mikehit e2
5 7.1k 11 United Kingdom
18 Nov 2012 6:22PM
I know what you mean - I have seen some suggestions posted on threads, from people who mean well but not ina very sympathetic way as though they are forgetting they are in a very fortunate position of having access to those resources (long lenses, hides, time, being with someone who can mentor them etc). The tone of their reply may not be condescending but can seem almost offhand.

So just enjoy your walks and stack away the suggestions under 'one day...'

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MacroMeister 2 62 4 United Kingdom
18 Nov 2012 6:50PM
Gary - I just looked at your images (for the first time) and I wouldn't say they were influenced by a dog pulling on the lead. If someone has offered you some well-intended advice (I/we don't know exactly how it was worded) then you can either accept or reject it. But I do think it should be kept between you and the person who sent it. The PM system here has a disclaimer 'This PM is confidential and its contents may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the named recipient.' I know in this case you have done the right thing and not given details, and only vaguely alluded to its contents, but I still think it is private. PM stands for Private Message. It's an important point because everyone needs to have some confidence in the PM system. Yes?

Out of interest, which image was it? May we comment on it?
lemmy 7 2.0k United Kingdom
18 Nov 2012 7:12PM

Quote:It's an important point because everyone needs to have some confidence in the PM system. Yes?


My first thought after reading Gary's post was that you can't have such confidence.

If I have something to say I'll say it on the forum or not at all. It's a shame that trust gets gradually eroded in this way but I suppose it is inevitable what with Twitter and all.

By the way, is my sense of humour so strange? The idea of trying to take pictures of wildlife, whether it is your first reason for going out or not, while your dog chases them away, is that not funny? Not in a nasty way, just funny?
MacroMeister 2 62 4 United Kingdom
18 Nov 2012 7:53PM

Quote:It's an important point because everyone needs to have some confidence in the PM system. Yes?
My first thought after reading Gary's post was that you can't have such confidence.



Confidence or trust don't exist in themselves (like your camera, or your car). They are assumptions that a certain thing is there, even if it's not physical.


Quote:By the way, is my sense of humour so strange? The idea of trying to take pictures of wildlife, whether it is your first reason for going out or not, while your dog chases them away, is that not funny? Not in a nasty way, just funny?


I can't answer that, but last week my wife and I were walking on The Wales Coast path and we came across the typical group of 28 Ramblers. The leader did the usual jolly bonhomie stuff about the weather, then said 'Mind you, we haven't seen much wildlife today...' PMSL I did, and he got quite upset. Grin
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
18 Nov 2012 8:05PM

Quote:However, as mentioned above, it would be interesting to hear the tips this helpful person gave you. I find bird photography a complete nightmare, but then I don't have the equipment to do it properly


Me neither but its fun walking up the street slinging sausages on peoples roofs Smile
SlowSong e2
6 4.8k 29 England
18 Nov 2012 8:07PM

Quote:However, as mentioned above, it would be interesting to hear the tips this helpful person gave you. I find bird photography a complete nightmare, but then I don't have the equipment to do it properly

Me neither but its fun walking up the street slinging sausages on peoples roofs Smile

And I can quite imagine you doing that as well. Grin
mikehit e2
5 7.1k 11 United Kingdom
18 Nov 2012 8:11PM

Quote:By the way, is my sense of humour so strange? The idea of trying to take pictures of wildlife, whether it is your first reason for going out or not, while your dog chases them away, is that not funny? Not in a nasty way, just funny?


I can see what you mean by 'funny' - but for the person walking the dog it can be frustrating as I have found outGrin
If you can let your dog off the lead, and take photos without the dog yanking your arm at the critical moment, I actually find it easier than being a photographer walking with a non-photographer. If you take your time with the shot, at least the dog does not stand there sighing emphatically and checking their watch Tongue The little poochj just goes off and amuses themselves.
petebfrance 2 1.3k United Kingdom
18 Nov 2012 8:15PM
This is what can happen when walking the dog:



Not me - I was sneaking up quite nicely, then man and dog turned up......
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
18 Nov 2012 8:23PM
I'd be photographing the dog, not the birds

far more interesting and be really nice to look back on in years to come

free advice from a great tog is a wonderful thing - enjoy it
SlowSong e2
6 4.8k 29 England
18 Nov 2012 10:02PM

Quote:However, as mentioned above, it would be interesting to hear the tips this helpful person gave you. I find bird photography a complete nightmare, but then I don't have the equipment to do it properly

Me neither but its fun walking up the street slinging sausages on peoples roofs Smile And I can quite imagine you doing that as well. Grin

I resemble that remark! Grin
19 Nov 2012 11:43PM

Quote:Is there any chance of posting the list of ways to improve your wildlife photos by this person as I wouldn't mind improving my shotsSmile


need all the help i can get as unfortunately nobody in the camera club i go to are interested in the feathered variety of 'birds' ...lol

keep enjoying your walks with patch and keep your excellent pictures coming..

david

gary_d 7 575 13 Wales
20 Nov 2012 12:58AM
Thank you David
DOGSBODY 6 1.4k 30 England
20 Nov 2012 10:38AM
Whilst it is good to receive advice from more experienced photographers there is really only one thing that matters and that is to get pleasure from what you are doing. If other people like your images too then that is an added bonus, especially if you are an amateur. We all tend to find our own level of competence but that should never stop us from continually trying to improve and I am sure that is so in your case. Natural history photography, if it is to be done to the very highest standards requires specialist equipment that many of us cannot afford so our pictures may not meet the standards that some others expect, but that should not mean that we shouldn't enjoy taking them. Mind you, I also know some photographers with all the best gear and they still can't take a good picture so equipment isn't everything.

Just carry on enjoying what you do and I can guarantee that your photography, which is already very good, will get even better over time.

Andy
gary_d 7 575 13 Wales
20 Nov 2012 12:48PM
Thank you DOGSBODY you have said what I was trying to say much better than I did.
KenTaylor e2
10 3.0k 2 United Kingdom
20 Nov 2012 1:34PM

Quote: some photographers with all the best gear and they still can't take a good picture so equipment isn't everything.

Understanding behaviour is a vital key to wildlife photography irrespective of the equipment used while of course top end gear makes it easier plus patience, hours and hours of it

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