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mikehit
mikehit e2 Member 45766 forum postsmikehit vcard United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2012 - 6:22 PM

I know what you mean - I have seen some suggestions posted on threads, from people who mean well but not ina very sympathetic way as though they are forgetting they are in a very fortunate position of having access to those resources (long lenses, hides, time, being with someone who can mentor them etc). The tone of their reply may not be condescending but can seem almost offhand.

So just enjoy your walks and stack away the suggestions under 'one day...'

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MacroMeister
18 Nov 2012 - 6:50 PM

Gary - I just looked at your images (for the first time) and I wouldn't say they were influenced by a dog pulling on the lead. If someone has offered you some well-intended advice (I/we don't know exactly how it was worded) then you can either accept or reject it. But I do think it should be kept between you and the person who sent it. The PM system here has a disclaimer 'This PM is confidential and its contents may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the named recipient.' I know in this case you have done the right thing and not given details, and only vaguely alluded to its contents, but I still think it is private. PM stands for Private Message. It's an important point because everyone needs to have some confidence in the PM system. Yes?

Out of interest, which image was it? May we comment on it?

Last Modified By MacroMeister at 18 Nov 2012 - 6:53 PM
lemmy
lemmy  61676 forum posts United Kingdom
18 Nov 2012 - 7:12 PM


Quote: It's an important point because everyone needs to have some confidence in the PM system. Yes?

My first thought after reading Gary's post was that you can't have such confidence.

If I have something to say I'll say it on the forum or not at all. It's a shame that trust gets gradually eroded in this way but I suppose it is inevitable what with Twitter and all.

By the way, is my sense of humour so strange? The idea of trying to take pictures of wildlife, whether it is your first reason for going out or not, while your dog chases them away, is that not funny? Not in a nasty way, just funny?

MacroMeister
18 Nov 2012 - 7:53 PM


Quote: It's an important point because everyone needs to have some confidence in the PM system. Yes?
My first thought after reading Gary's post was that you can't have such confidence.

Confidence or trust don't exist in themselves (like your camera, or your car). They are assumptions that a certain thing is there, even if it's not physical.


Quote: By the way, is my sense of humour so strange? The idea of trying to take pictures of wildlife, whether it is your first reason for going out or not, while your dog chases them away, is that not funny? Not in a nasty way, just funny?

I can't answer that, but last week my wife and I were walking on The Wales Coast path and we came across the typical group of 28 Ramblers. The leader did the usual jolly bonhomie stuff about the weather, then said 'Mind you, we haven't seen much wildlife today...' PMSL I did, and he got quite upset. Grin

Last Modified By MacroMeister at 18 Nov 2012 - 7:54 PM
Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1214397 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2012 - 8:05 PM


Quote: However, as mentioned above, it would be interesting to hear the tips this helpful person gave you. I find bird photography a complete nightmare, but then I don't have the equipment to do it properly

Me neither but its fun walking up the street slinging sausages on peoples roofs Smile

SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 53997 forum postsSlowSong vcard England28 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2012 - 8:07 PM


Quote: However, as mentioned above, it would be interesting to hear the tips this helpful person gave you. I find bird photography a complete nightmare, but then I don't have the equipment to do it properly

Me neither but its fun walking up the street slinging sausages on peoples roofs Smile

And I can quite imagine you doing that as well. Grin

mikehit
mikehit e2 Member 45766 forum postsmikehit vcard United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2012 - 8:11 PM


Quote: By the way, is my sense of humour so strange? The idea of trying to take pictures of wildlife, whether it is your first reason for going out or not, while your dog chases them away, is that not funny? Not in a nasty way, just funny?

I can see what you mean by 'funny' - but for the person walking the dog it can be frustrating as I have found outGrin
If you can let your dog off the lead, and take photos without the dog yanking your arm at the critical moment, I actually find it easier than being a photographer walking with a non-photographer. If you take your time with the shot, at least the dog does not stand there sighing emphatically and checking their watch Tongue The little poochj just goes off and amuses themselves.

petebfrance
18 Nov 2012 - 8:15 PM

This is what can happen when walking the dog:

Not me - I was sneaking up quite nicely, then man and dog turned up......

Last Modified By petebfrance at 18 Nov 2012 - 8:18 PM
ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade  1014556 forum posts England216 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2012 - 8:23 PM

I'd be photographing the dog, not the birds

far more interesting and be really nice to look back on in years to come

free advice from a great tog is a wonderful thing - enjoy it

SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 53997 forum postsSlowSong vcard England28 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2012 - 10:02 PM


Quote: However, as mentioned above, it would be interesting to hear the tips this helpful person gave you. I find bird photography a complete nightmare, but then I don't have the equipment to do it properly

Me neither but its fun walking up the street slinging sausages on peoples roofs Smile And I can quite imagine you doing that as well. Grin

I resemble that remark! Grin

Craggwildlife
Craggwildlife e2 Member 567 forum postsCraggwildlife vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
19 Nov 2012 - 11:43 PM

[quote]Is there any chance of posting the list of ways to improve your wildlife photos by this person as I wouldn't mind improving my shotsSmile


need all the help i can get as unfortunately nobody in the camera club i go to are interested in the feathered variety of 'birds' ...lol

keep enjoying your walks with patch and keep your excellent pictures coming..

david

gary_d
gary_d e2 Member 6510 forum postsgary_d vcard Wales12 Constructive Critique Points
20 Nov 2012 - 12:58 AM

Thank you David

DOGSBODY
DOGSBODY e2 Member 51432 forum postsDOGSBODY vcard England30 Constructive Critique Points
20 Nov 2012 - 10:38 AM

Whilst it is good to receive advice from more experienced photographers there is really only one thing that matters and that is to get pleasure from what you are doing. If other people like your images too then that is an added bonus, especially if you are an amateur. We all tend to find our own level of competence but that should never stop us from continually trying to improve and I am sure that is so in your case. Natural history photography, if it is to be done to the very highest standards requires specialist equipment that many of us cannot afford so our pictures may not meet the standards that some others expect, but that should not mean that we shouldn't enjoy taking them. Mind you, I also know some photographers with all the best gear and they still can't take a good picture so equipment isn't everything.

Just carry on enjoying what you do and I can guarantee that your photography, which is already very good, will get even better over time.

Andy

Last Modified By DOGSBODY at 20 Nov 2012 - 10:41 AM
gary_d
gary_d e2 Member 6510 forum postsgary_d vcard Wales12 Constructive Critique Points
20 Nov 2012 - 12:48 PM

Thank you DOGSBODY you have said what I was trying to say much better than I did.

Last Modified By gary_d at 20 Nov 2012 - 12:49 PM
KenTaylor
KenTaylor e2 Member 92967 forum postsKenTaylor vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
20 Nov 2012 - 1:34 PM


Quote: some photographers with all the best gear and they still can't take a good picture so equipment isn't everything.

Understanding behaviour is a vital key to wildlife photography irrespective of the equipment used while of course top end gear makes it easier plus patience, hours and hours of it

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