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I know this question has been addressed in a number of different ways before, but I am getting ever more confused. Recently I took a picture of some poppies in a field at sunset. I processed the pic in Elements, did a 'Save for Web' and uploaded. The pic on EPZ matches what I see on my screen.
Over the weekend I took some photos for a friend and no matter what I do, can't seem to get the colours right on the printed pics.
Now at this point I started thinking and reading up about calibration and colour management. I have discovered in Elements that I have my Edit>Colour Setting set to 'No Colour Management'. I have read on another site that I should have it set to 'Full Colour Management', which makes a pretty impressive difference to the pic. However, when I do the 'Save for Web' it puts the colours back to how they were in 'No Colour Management' mode'. So my question is; if I want the colours that I upload to the web to be consistent with the ones that I see on my screen and the ones that I print, can I do this all using one mode, or do I need different versions of the image for the different uses? Confused!!!
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'Limited Color Management' means you are working in sRGB colourspace (this is how the web is displayed) and 'Full Color Management' means you are working in Adobe 1998 RGB.
If you are using 'Full' (Adobe 1998) and you save for web, the colours will look bad. If you convert the picture to sRGB colourspace before saving for web, you will not have this poroblem. Alternatively, work in 'Limited' (sRGB) and make sure the camera is using sRGB too.
This can be done with free downloaded software (easy to do) as Elements won't let you do this - though there is a trick to get round this if you want.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for that Dave. How do other people deal with this (I assume this is an issue perculiar to Elements and that the full version of Photoshop allows conversion between the two colourspaces)?
It allows you to convert, or just apply. Apply will result in the colour change you've already seen, whereas convert will keep the colours mor or less the same (so useful when converting files shot in Adobe RGB to sRGB for uplaod to the web for example).
Stuart, I use this free program by Dry Creek Photo to convert profiles.
The full version of Photoshop allows profile conversion.
Thanks for your help. Given me a fighting chance of trying to work out what's going on!
You can convert and apply srgb and adobe rgb profiles in Elements 3 & 4, you do not state which version of Elements you are using
By the way no color managment is not strictly true as your monitor profile is being applied to the image .
I'm using Elements 2 set to 'no colour manaegment'. I've had some prints made and have been pretty happy with the results (although they are not identical to the image on screen they are acceptable. I have recently calibrated my monitor with a calibration device.
Before saving the Tiff file prior to sending it off to be printed should I really adjust the settings to Full Colour Management?
I am using Elements 3. I am told it is possible to apply the different profiles, but the only way to convert is to do some crafty switching of color spaces, saving of blank documents and copying and pasting. The program suggested by Dave looks much simpler!
This is a subject that vexes me too and raises lots of questions, ever since I noticed that my uploaded photos on EPZ looked different from what I see in Photoshop Elements (v2 I think). I didn't know there was such a thing as sRGB until I started scratching the surface of the issue, then it just got more confusing!
Should it be assumed that when a lab scans an image from film the result will be in RGB 1998 and not sRGB?
If I understand correctly, using Limited Colour Management alone without the ability to convert an image to sRGB won't solve the problem. Is this right?
I'm considering switching from PC to Mac in the near future - does anyone know if there are Mac compliant downloads which tackle the conversion?
Not a colour management expert, however:
1. Set camera to use sRGB
2. Set Photoshop to use sRGB
3. Set monitor to use sRGB
In my experienece the limited colour space in sRGB is hardly noticeable in general every-day use.
Labs will use their own properity colour spaces, but since the vast majority of consumer cameras shoot in sRGB, that is likely to give the least compatibility issues. As previously stated the web uses sRGB. In my case the thinh I forgot to do was set the monitor to sRGB. Having said that, I still note small variations in screen and print, and this is likley to do with differnt paper types, the inks used, and the fact that colour spaces are changed from RGB to CMYK, Think that reasoning is correct. Someone let me know if it isn't. Mike
Felt this may help
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