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7 May 2011 1:07PM
Sadi have been watching photographic competitions over the last few years.and have come to the conclusion that if you do not have photoshop you will not win any prizes. this is wrong as you should win on your skills to produce a nice photo. not change it to something it is not.

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Carabosse e2
11 39.5k 269 England
7 May 2011 1:15PM

Quote:this is wrong as you should win on your skills to produce a nice photo. not change it to something it is not.


Why? People have been doing that in their darkrooms for a century or more - long before Photoshop was a glimmer in anyone's eye!
7 May 2011 1:32PM
anyone that can afford photoshop and learns how to use it can win any prize they want.
edrhodes 9 521 12 United Kingdom
7 May 2011 1:35PM

Quote:anyone that can afford photoshop and learns how to use it can win any prize they want.



If only it was that easy!
sherlob e2
8 2.4k 126 United Kingdom
7 May 2011 1:41PM
Sorry Bill but I have to disagree. Carabosse is absolutely spot on in his comment.


Quote:you should win on your skills to produce a nice photo


This implies you don't need skill to use PS (or any other editing software) - or that traditionally you didn't need skill to process the film. Obviously thats utter nonsense. Remember that even if you take a film into a lab to process - it will still likely be tweaked for colour balance etc (even if this is automated). Isn't that changing the image into something its not?

The manipulation of an image starts way before you press the shutter. Think about it. You make creative decisions about composition, focusing, depth of field, exposure, filtration, and magnification (plus others I'm sure) before you take the image. Each of these decisions changes the 'truth' of the image (what is the 'truth' of an image?). Why is using PS to continue this process such a crime? Photographs are created - get over it.

Adam
KarenFB 8 4.3k 163 England
7 May 2011 1:43PM

Quote:Sadi have been watching photographic competitions over the last few years.and have come to the conclusion that if you do not have photoshop you will not win any prizes. this is wrong as you should win on your skills to produce a nice photo. not change it to something it is not.


Did you see the entry that won Countryfile's calender competition? It was taken and sent in (un-photoshopped) by a lady who used a compact camera! Smile
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csurry
12 9.2k 92
7 May 2011 2:45PM
Previous years winning image had no photoshop either. Just processed RAW file and printed. Grin

Lots of competitions encourage digital art, but many frown upon anything other than dust removal. Just depends on the competition and the rules. If you don't like the rules allowing PS then don't enter those and stick with the ones that ask to see the raw file at some point in the judging process. Mind you those tend to be wildlife/nature comps.
thewilliam 6 4.7k
7 May 2011 2:54PM
I thought most people were using pirate copies of Photshop!

At one event, the speaker asked how many of us had Photoshop that was fully road-legal and only two of us raised our hands.
lobsterboy e2
10 14.2k 13 United Kingdom
7 May 2011 2:57PM
But Cheryl, many people consider using a robot squirrel cheating too.
7 May 2011 3:00PM
Film

In Camera: Filters, film type (Velvia!)...

Processing: Push, pull, X-Processing...

Printing: Dodge, burn, flashing, combining images, toning, variable contrast...
JJGEE 9 6.4k 18 England
7 May 2011 3:00PM

Quote:stick with the ones that ask to see the raw file at some point in the judging process


Perhaps there are competitions where one submits the RAW file at the outset and the judges use the same RAW conversion software on every image... processing then would at least be consistent across all entries Wink
csurry
12 9.2k 92
7 May 2011 3:01PM
Robots are harder to control than the stuffed ones, but the stuffed ones tend to look too static Wink Tongue
lobsterboy e2
10 14.2k 13 United Kingdom
7 May 2011 3:04PM
What you need to do is train the squirrel to use Photoshop and you have a guaranteed competition winner.
Andy_Cundell 3 1.1k 5 England
7 May 2011 3:17PM
Can you get the squirrel to train me to use photoshop please?
User_Removed 4 299 4 France
7 May 2011 4:19PM
I have a fairly simple explanation as to why its difficult to be sucessful in photo comps and its all about monitors/apple/windows.

As most judges of serious competitions are undoubtably using professionally set up macs or top end windows machines its unlikely that your masterpiece will look anything like your view when it hits the judge.

A second point to make comes from a short spell I had as an insurance agent collecting a round for United Friendly!...apart from their eating habits the most common thing you noticed was the different ideas of "colour" on their tvs....if peoples monitors show even a tiny percentage of this variation their comp entries are dead in the water.

On a site like this there are no doubt a high percentage of members with perfect monitor set up...but that is totally dependant on the individuals eyesight and colour recognition.

In my days of judging camera club comps I used a leica projector or a kodak carousel and the standard apart from bulb age was pretty even but now if you wish to look into my argument pop your best shots onto a usb and take it to a couple of friends pcs....stuart

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