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Critique rankings . . . ?


23 Feb 2013 9:16PM
really wondering why a lot of people use ePhotozine if its not to complain about it. Especially long time users

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LVanDhal 2 126 1 United Kingdom
23 Feb 2013 9:22PM
I have now stopped commenting on images, and maybe its worth me writing why,
When i first joined i used to enjoy very much browsing the gallery, and often I'd leave a comment on an image as well as a vote, I did so because
i am of the mind that people who produce images like to read how others see them, and some times my comment was "Nice pic" or something similar, and some times my comment was more lengthy, because i wrote what I felt was my opinion on the image and yes at times "Nice pic" summed up
my reaction entirely, then I started reading the forums.
From that I discovered their was in operation an established "Critique group" that was separate from the main gallery, and I thought "Opps noob mistake on my part, and maybe the people on who's images i had left lengthy comments were being kind to me and I should not have put what I did on Main Gallery images.
In trying to decipher where comments would be appropriate i read further on the forums, and that's when i came across certain recurring "Terms"
"Click Clique" " Nice Pic" "Vote for me vote for you" and these terms were all created by the supporters of the "Critique Gallery" to put down those who did not actively participate in the Critique Gallery.
To me the active promotion of the Critique Gallery, as the only place on EPZ where a photographer will receive "Good" critique is insulting, and far too sneering, by promoting the Critique gallery value" by "Down selling " the alternative ( which is to post in to the main gallery,) the Critique Gallery has members who do it no favours in using sneering terms to imply that anyone who comments or votes outside of the Critiques Gallery is doing so with the motive of currying favour for their own work rather than being genuine and honest.
I think the Critiques Gallery needs to sort itself out and realize that as a group it comes over more as a Gang.
Tooth 9 5.8k 227 Ireland
23 Feb 2013 10:13PM
Sigh

can you say that again, I didn't catch it..
NEWMANP e2
6 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
23 Feb 2013 10:13PM
in defence of the critique gallery and the of course the critique team, firstly it isnt a group at all, its a place where people can post a picture and request critique. that picture still appears in the general galley.

that critique may be given by a member of the team or it may be offered by anyone who is a member of epz. it gives people the opportunity to get comments when they otherwise may not. beginners foreinstance, who may have less than magnificent images yet under their belt, will find it tough to even get a single click somedays in the fast moving gallery.

secondly no one on the team to my knowledge has spoken out regarding comments or critique on the gallery and certainly it isnt a crime to say a picture is nice. i often do this in the general gallery rather than tick and run. i sometimes leave deeper comments too . i like to get them, why wouldnt others.

there is a lot of general and forum comment about people who amass huge click counts on pictures by return clicks and being in huge click cliques, but at the end of the day whats it all matter, its a bloomin click thats all.
LVanDhal 2 126 1 United Kingdom
23 Feb 2013 10:42PM

Quote:Sigh

can you say that again, I didn't catch it..



Fraid I don't understand ?
Tooth 9 5.8k 227 Ireland
23 Feb 2013 11:04PM
Neither do I..


Quote:their was in operation an established "Critique group" that was separate from the main gallery, and I thought "Opps noob mistake on my part, and maybe the people on who's images i had left lengthy comments were being kind to me and I should not have put what I did on Main Gallery images.
In trying to decipher where comments would be appropriate i read further on the forums, and that's when i came across certain recurring "Terms"
"Click Clique" " Nice Pic" "Vote for me vote for you" and these terms were all created by the supporters of the "Critique Gallery" to put down those who did not actively participate in the Critique Gallery.



there is a critique gallery which is a filter of the main gallery. People are more likely to get critique there thsn if they just post for the main gallery. People who believe in it promote it..

and the critique team, who give freely if their time, do not engage in sneering, or downselling the main gallery. I'm not sure who you think does, but what if they do? there's a lot of people on this site.


Quote: Critique Gallery has members who do it no favours in using sneering terms to imply that anyone who comments or votes outside of the Critiques Gallery is doing so with the motive of currying favour for their own work rather than being genuine and honest.


who? when? someone made some comment that ruffled you, and you bring it up here, and we havr to work out what it's about.


Quote:To me the active promotion of the Critique Gallery, as the only place on EPZ where a photographer will receive "Good" critique is insulting,


again, who has ever said this? No one on the critique team, I'm sure.The whole ethos of the site, which is shared by all members of the critique team to my knowledge, is that good critique is welcome anywhere on the site
Jestertheclown 6 6.4k 241 England
23 Feb 2013 11:06PM
I first encountered the term "clique-click," appropriate as it is, in a forum thread, not started by myself, a few years ago.
It was coined when an ordinary member, nothing to do with the critique gallery or team, was enquiring why certain members amassed huge numbers of votes on their, let's say, "mediocre" images when other images, which he considered to be far superior (and he was probably right) garnered hardly any votes.
Someone pointed out to him that these "clique-clicks" and one in particular, existed and how they worked.
Hence the name was born.
It was nothing to do with the critique gallery at all.
LVanDhal 2 126 1 United Kingdom
24 Feb 2013 1:19AM

Quote:Neither do I..

their was in operation an established "Critique group" that was separate from the main gallery, and I thought "Opps noob mistake on my part, and maybe the people on who's images i had left lengthy comments were being kind to me and I should not have put what I did on Main Gallery images.
In trying to decipher where comments would be appropriate i read further on the forums, and that's when i came across certain recurring "Terms"
"Click Clique" " Nice Pic" "Vote for me vote for you" and these terms were all created by the supporters of the "Critique Gallery" to put down those who did not actively participate in the Critique Gallery.

there is a critique gallery which is a filter of the main gallery. People are more likely to get critique there thsn if they just post for the main gallery. People who believe in it promote it..

and the critique team, who give freely if their time, do not engage in sneering, or downselling the main gallery. I'm not sure who you think does, but what if they do? there's a lot of people on this site.

Critique Gallery has members who do it no favours in using sneering terms to imply that anyone who comments or votes outside of the Critiques Gallery is doing so with the motive of currying favour for their own work rather than being genuine and honest.

who? when? someone made some comment that ruffled you, and you bring it up here, and we havr to work out what it's about.

To me the active promotion of the Critique Gallery, as the only place on EPZ where a photographer will receive "Good" critique is insulting,

again, who has ever said this? No one on the critique team, I'm sure.The whole ethos of the site, which is shared by all members of the critique team to my knowledge, is that good critique is welcome anywhere on the site



Hi. ( in advance I must apologize for not being able to divide a reply in to multiple quote boxes,)
in no particular order I would say by reply to the points you made,

1 I am an old bird with no feathers left to ruffleWink my comments are based on my observations and comprehension.

2 Why could you not say what you meant the first time ? I am a little surprised you needed coaxing in to explaining that you did not understand ( if that is the correct interpretation of your two posts prior to this my reply ?, you were a tad cryptic, and a "Sigh" is a little difficult to decipher, after all it could mean Boredom, Tiredness, or you simply wanted to let me know how much you simply adore my words,? )

3 That the critique Gallery is believed in and promoted is not in doubt, that is comes across to me at times with the implication of sneering is my personal opinion, which in the first part of your reply to that assertion you refute but then finish with "But what if they do ? there are a lot of people on the site"......so are you hedging your bets with this one ? They don't ,but if I could show otherwise, then you will revert to, well they do ??

4 No need to thank me in advance for my feedback on how the Critiques gallery has come over to me, like many members of the aforementioned I too give my time freely, and offer my opinion only in a bid to Help you all improve the image of the Gallery, naturally like all critique its up to you to
decided if you are willing to give it consideration or not.
pablophotographer 3 464 185
24 Feb 2013 1:35AM
I give my honest opinion to any picture I find interesting, or I notice it asks for help. I remember Frank (you know whom I am talking about) had said some times in his own "engineering" way that people who want an opinion should upload their pics on the critique gallery. I mostly open to see pictures in the main gallery, then the critique gallery and less frequently the junior members' gallery.
I have had two people saying I gave them good critique yesterday but had no nominations, well, that's life, I have not stopped offering my sincere opinion because of that. My pictures don't get many votes, that must mean that people don't find them attractive, or skilled. I have often question my themes, I shoot whatever I find and I don't specialise. I had been told that if people like shooting wildlife and flora (which are not heavily supported by my pf) tend to focus on what people like them shoot. Earlier on I had been thinking if anyone will ever make a comment on my pf, I remember from the month we were all full EPZ members I could make pf comments. So I may get a comment from a paying member, one day. I may find time to impove my skills in the mean time. If miracles happen.
Sooty_1 4 1.2k 202 United Kingdom
24 Feb 2013 12:33PM
I just give honest opinions and critique where I think it will help, and sometimes where some of the advice already given misses (IMO) something important. I don't really have time to browse all the galleries, so restrict myself to a couple. The main gallery fills so fast, a page is gone in minutes, sometimes.
Add to that there are some on here who think they are the first to do something/first to encounter a problem/the only one who can do something. Too many don't bother to look back at comments on previous similar entries, or take note of (or give any indication of having read) any comments.

I have a few pics in my portfolio, and I thank people who take the time and trouble to comment, but I'm not in the slightest bit interested in 'who gets the most votes' or 'who wins in vs mode'. I'm just too lazy to opt out. If my pics get votes, then thanks, but if not, I'm not bothered. The idea that 'liking' someone else's picture so they will 'like mine' is just blowing smoke rings up each other's fundament. It ultimately achieves nothing in terms of development as a photographer, in the same way your family will say "nice picture" but they probably aren't giving a real opinion and aren't looking at it objectively.
I very rarely 'like' a picture, and even more rarely comment with a platitude. I notice there are still members who do this, even in the critique forum, despite guidelines being prominently displayed. But then perhaps hearing the sound of one's own voice is more important than any content contained therein.

Nick
chase e2
9 1.1k 242 England
24 Feb 2013 3:05PM

Quote:I have had two people saying I gave them good critique yesterday but had no nominations

I think you will find that they were nominated & approved ( well I can see 2 that were)


Quote:the Critique Gallery has members who do it no favours in using sneering terms

If you see that sort of behaviour then drop in a report to the Team.
Paul Morgan e2
13 15.7k 6 England
24 Feb 2013 5:19PM
Didn`t realise the critique bit was about scoring points and getting to the top of some Leaderboard, how do I switch it off, I`m not into brownie points, clicks, votes or anything.
Jestertheclown 6 6.4k 241 England
24 Feb 2013 7:19PM

Quote:Didn`t realise the critique bit was about scoring points and getting to the top of some Leaderboard, how do I switch it off, I`m not into brownie points, clicks, votes or anything.

Sadly, you can't.
That was the first thing that I asked when I saw it.
pablophotographer 3 464 185
24 Feb 2013 9:05PM
Hi chace thanks for mentioning, one clarification I feel doing though, when I wrote that remark, they were not awarded the "constructive critique marking" yet, and the second one is not the one I was referring, it was a different picture.

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