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    u08mcb
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    2 Nov 2004 - 6:56 PM
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    I think he's just been more blatant than previous presidents. Clinton is looked back upon with rose tinted spectacles. Monica Lewinsky was getting too many column inches so he destroyed Sudan's domestic pharmaceutical industry with one cruise missile. Once incontrovertible proof was presented from a number of sources this was the case, did America go and build it back up again?

    Reagan was a ghastly man, so was Nixon. Last really good president was Woodrow Wilson.

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    Carabosse
    Carabosse (e2 Member)
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    2 Nov 2004 - 7:09 PM
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    They are all front men for vested interests... unelected and non-removable.... and the same ones behind each candidate.

    The result of the election matters not a toss. The vested interests will still be there and still be exactly the same. If there is a change of president there may be the odd cosmetic change of policy here and there - it's got to made to look like voters have a choice (ho ho ho, hee hee hee!!) but fundamentally nowt changes.

    Regard it as pure entertainment and we won't be far wrong! Wink

    u08mcb
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    2 Nov 2004 - 7:11 PM
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    Depressingly true CB Sad

    StrayCat
    StrayCat (e2 Member)
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    2 Nov 2004 - 7:23 PM
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    Years ago, a friend once told me the first election in which he was old enough to vote, he asked the advice of a person he had great respect for, his grandmother, and she said; "I don't vote for any of them dear, it only encourages them."

    u08mcb
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    2 Nov 2004 - 7:25 PM
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    Yeah thats pretty much what I do.

    spaceman
    2 Nov 2004 - 7:32 PM
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    Some said Bush's ascent to the the White House was the will of God, if he loses, will they say that's the will of God as well?

    cambirder
    2 Nov 2004 - 7:34 PM
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    Yes CB I agree the whole 2 party system is owned by Multinationals, however there is one big difference between the 2, and that is that Bush is part of the religious right (I won't call them Christians as they seem to pay very little attention to the teachings of Christ), and this bunch of loonies are just as dangerous as fundamentalists from other parts of the world, and I don't want the most powerful man in the world to believe whatever he does is God's will.

    u08mcb
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    2 Nov 2004 - 7:36 PM
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    Inshallah...

    Carabosse
    Carabosse (e2 Member)
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    2 Nov 2004 - 8:01 PM
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    There was an interesting programme last night which showed how even religion is basically used in the US as a means to a political end - something which (mercifully) we don't get in mainland GB.

    But it is still that .... a means to an end. The end is the power and wealth of a relative handful of individuals.

    But the good thing is.... people are beginning to suss all this out and we are seeing politics/politicians/elections etc treated with cynicism and outright contempt as never before. This does have its downside but it is better than going like blindfolded sheep to the polling booths and believing you can make a difference by putting an X on a slip of paper.

    Baaaa baaaa!!

    Wink

    u08mcb
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    2 Nov 2004 - 9:42 PM
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    "Democracy is a very bad form of government. Unfortunately all the others are so much worse." - Churchill

    keithh
    keithh (e2 Member)
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    2 Nov 2004 - 10:23 PM
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    and neither we or the Americans live in a democracy...not in it's true meaning or intention.

    brian1208
    brian1208 (e2 Member)
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    2 Nov 2004 - 10:31 PM
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    I feel the closest description of the UK's current form of government may be an "Elected Dictatorship".

    Government by a party elected by a minority of the total potential electorate yet with such a large majority in Parliament that there are no checks or balances to control its destruction of true Democracy.

    Brian

    SuziBlue
    2 Nov 2004 - 10:49 PM
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    Depressing isn't it.

    Thank god for the soapbox and the megaphone.

    cambirder
    2 Nov 2004 - 10:52 PM
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    I think "Elected Dictatorship" may be going a little too far, after all a dictatorship does not allow free speech.

    The problem we have in the UK at the moment is that we have a very week opposition party, and the main parlimentary opposition now comes from the Lib Dems, and Labour's own back benchers.

    There never has been a perfect system of democracy, going back to the ancient Greek one where only Free Men could vote, PR may be fairer but it has it's own problems as seen in Italy since WW2.

    The problem we need to overcome is how we can make all votes count, and not have the situation like we have here in that all parties target only a small percentage of the population (dont knows in marginal seats), before it gets as out of hand as it now is in the US

    Carabosse
    Carabosse (e2 Member)
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    2 Nov 2004 - 10:57 PM
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    We have a VERY modified form of free speech. It is limited by both legislation and political correctness!

    Democracy has been sorely tested by the existence of economic and other powers which cross national boundaries and regard politicians as pawns. Which is precisely what they are - apart from a few brave souls who are usually prepared to risk having the party whip withdrawn.

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