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    affleck
    30 Jan 2007 - 11:45 PM
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    I got CS2 yesterday and now have a whole lot of new things to play with.

    Sorry if I am missing something and this is a stupid or obvious question but......

    what are the day to day advantages of converting RAW files (in my case D200 .NEF's) to .DNG's? As an amateur photographer and far as I can see there is no real advantage but perhaps someone explain if i stand to gain anything by converting my .NEF's to .DNG's.

    Cheers

    Gordon

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    AnthonyM
    31 Jan 2007 - 12:02 AM
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    You should find lots of info on Google or even in the forums. Probably better explanation than mine but here is a quick bit of info.

    There is some debate on any real benefits or lack of benefit, but Adobe created the open format to allow a long term and generic access to your images.
    In five years (maybe 15 years is a better example), will you still be able to find software that reads your current RAW format? Maybe, maybe not. In that time, will your old converter software still run?
    For example, think about what software that used to run on Windows 3.1 will still run on Windows Vista. You'll get an idea of what issues might loom in the future of accessing your "digital negatives".

    If Adobe has its way, and everyone else agrees to go along... DNG will be available for a long time. Hopefully Adobe will keep the format open and free. I don't know enough about either side to say anything against using DNG.

    One nice thing about it is that for new cameras, such as the Pentax K10D, may have an option to write in DNG format.
    Only the Pentax software understands the K10D's RAW format at this time. But luckily if the images are stored in DNG format you will be able to open then immediately in PhotoShop. The alternative is to wait for months until a converter is developed... or convert all your RAWs using the proprietary software.

    I know nothing about the NEF sizes but for me the advantage is that it reduces my ORF files from my 8MP DSlr from 13.5 mb to 7mp with no loss of quality and allows me to store more on the same disc space and also allows me to embed IPTC data in the Raw file using Iveiw MediaPro3 Smile

    mdpontin
    31 Jan 2007 - 11:13 AM
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    Adobe released DNG as an open format, i.e. the specification has been published and is available for hardware/software manufacturers to use.

    As I understand it though, Adobe retain control of the format, by which I mean it hasn't been released to be administered by an independent body. I suppose that means that Adobe could potentially make arbitrary changes to the licence terms at some point in the future. Whether it would be in their interests to do so is another matter - I would suspect the backlash against such a move would more than offset any commercial advantage. Maybe somebody with a better understanding of these things could comment.

    Several camera manufacturers now support DNG as a native format within the camera, including Hasselblad and (as noted above) Pentax in the new K10D. It also has fairly widespread recognition on the software side for RAW processing and even at the OS level (Mac OS X can read it as a native file format, as possibly does Windows although I have no information on that).

    At the moment DNG is the only 'universal' RAW format available, as far as I know. That makes it worthwhile from my perspective and I convert all my camera RAW files (two different types of Minolta *.MRW) to DNG, which I use as my working copies. I admit, though, that I also hedge my bets by keeping archive copies of both the MRW and the DNG - CD/DVD space is inexpensive.

    Doug

    philipr
    31 Jan 2007 - 2:19 PM
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    Pretty well covered above. I also convert all my RAWs to DNGs for the future proofness and to save space.It does take a bit of time but you get used to it in your workflow .

    The following is from THE DAM BOOK (pretty good book on digital workflow):

    Although Adobe has named the format the Digital Negative, I prefer to think of it as a "digital job jacket." In fact, the DNG format is a wrapper
    that can contain all kinds of useful information about your file. Let's take a look at what can be stored there:
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    The negative
    The DNG file can contain all the RAW image data that the camera puts into its own RAW file. This means that you can open a DNG
    file in Camera Raw and have the full range of adjustment options that you had with the RAW file.
    Paperwork
    Because the DNG format is openly documented, all sorts of metadata (discussed in the next chapter) can safely be written to the file,
    with no danger of it becoming unreadable or of corrupting the file.
    A pretty good print
    In the DNG file, you can store not only the "negative," but also a "print." Camera Raw can create a preview of the file that reflects all
    the adjustments you have made. Take a look at Figure 1-11. On the left is the original embedded preview (as created by the camera).
    On the right, the DNG shows up the way I've adjusted it in Camera Raw. You can correct the color, brightness, and contrast—even
    crop or apply a curve—and the resulting image will be stored inside the DNG file. This embedded preview can be of several sizes,
    including one that is the full dimension of the RAW file. We'll look at how this "pretty good print" can be useful in Chapter 8.

    Private maker notes
    If a camera manufacturer comes up with a new way to process a file, and they wish to keep the details secret, they can encrypt this
    information into the DNG file. Thus, DNG files can be universally accessible, while at the same time offering manufacturers protection
    for their proprietary image-processing algorithms. This will be useful as more manufacturers let users choose DNG as a RAW file
    format to be produced straight out of the camera.
    Undocumented maker notes
    Version 3.1 of Camera Raw (and the freestanding DNG converter) will copy the undocumented maker notes to the DNG file. While
    Camera Raw cannot make use of this information at the present time, it saves it for a day when camera manufacturers will embrace
    DNG as a solution for file storage, or for a day when third-party software can decrypt this information. (Because this is undocumented
    information, the full integrity of these maker notes is not absolutely guaranteed.)
    The original RAW file
    Those of you who can't bear the thought of throwing away your original RAW files can simply embed them into the DNG file itself.
    You will then be able to extract this file at any later date, should you choose to. (I don't keep the original RAW files, because the DNGs
    include everything I want to keep. And, of course, embedding the RAW files will make the resulting DNG files quite large.)

    Beyond simply what's stored in the DNG is the issue of how it's stored. Because the DNG format is openly documented, any application that
    can use DNGs can see your Camera Raw adjustments, read and use the "paperwork" you have enclosed, add more data to the paperwork, and
    create a good-looking JPEG or TIFF of the file, even if it can't read the original RAW file type.
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    There's another benefit to using the DNG format for image storage, too: it offers significant file-size reductions losslessly, with no loss of
    quality. The compression that DNG offers (one of the "save" options) can reduce the size of an image file by up to one third. This translates
    into nearly immediate savings for the photographer.
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    1.5.3.2. Drawbacks of DNG
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    There are a couple of drawbacks to saving files as DNGs. On balance, they are not of great concern to me, but you should be aware of them.
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    RAW files saved as DNG cannot be opened by the manufacturer's software. Some people, for instance, like to use Nikon Capture for processing
    their RAW files. At the moment, if you save your files as DNGs, you will not be able to open them in Nikon Capture. You could choose to
    embed the RAW file into the DNG, but that makes for a pretty large archive.
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    If you like the idea of embedding RAW files for certain photos but don't see the need to embed them for every image, you can use the workflow
    tools I outline in Chapter 6 to embed only the RAW files for images that are rated as very high-quality photos.
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    Another option is to make it known to your camera manufacturer that you would like them to support DNG. Currently, Leica and Hasselblad
    both use DNG as a native RAW file format right out of the camera, and there's no reason that manufacturer's software such as Nikon Capture
    cannot work with Adobe-created DNG files—they simply choose not to support DNG.
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    The second drawback to using DNG is that (for most cameras) you must convert your files to this format, which requires an extra step. However,
    I believe that this is well worth the hassle, given the benefit that you receive.

    affleck
    31 Jan 2007 - 2:23 PM
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    wow...

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