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Terrym1
Terrym1  540 forum posts United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 6:53 PM

If you needed a certain software package but could not afford it would you download the pirate software version? Do you think people who download illegal software should be punished by law?

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mohikan22
mohikan22  102188 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 7:00 PM

i would leech it i think as prices are stupid for some packages. like PScs4 or office 2k8 etc etc

NexusImages
2 Dec 2008 - 7:03 PM


Quote: If you needed a certain software package but could not afford it would you download the pirate software version?

NO, because I am a good honest Catholic girl who never steps a foot wrong.

Quote: Do you think people who download illegal software should be punished by law?

Depends on what sort of punishment you mean. Expand a little.

OK, I lied, i'm not Catholic.

CaptivePhotons
CaptivePhotons e2 Member 111547 forum postsCaptivePhotons vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 7:03 PM

Hmmm, new member asking who partakes in downloading pirate software.

All my software is legal guv'nor. Smile

Overread
Overread  63763 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 7:05 PM

If you download software illegally then that is a possible sale to the company lost - if a sale is lost then the company makes less profit.
Scale this up and a company could lose a considerable proportion of sales and as a result might have to upp their prices to counter the lost sales- which means I (the paying customer) am harmed as I have to pay more.
Further it could cause the company to have less money to invest in upgrading the existing package or developing a new line of products.

I see no reason why stealing a program online is any different from walking into a shop and stealing if of the self; and yet there seems to be this view that digital data (be it programs, wallpapers or photographs) is in some way free for all to use.
I have even seen some argue that its a try before you buy idea - that its not stealing as they intend to buy the product if its good enough. I don't know many shops that let you walk out of the front door without paying on the argument that you might come back and buy it if you like it.

User_Removed
2 Dec 2008 - 7:12 PM

Illegal Software Threads

Plenty of threads that cover the subject.

A can of worms that always turns nasty...... unfortunately Smile

User_Removed
2 Dec 2008 - 7:26 PM


Quote: All my software is legal guv'nor.

So's mine Grin

Overread
Overread  63763 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 8:01 PM

Game prices are mostly the same (maybe 5 more) than they were to start with and that was before CD rewriters and the big hacking craze.
As for the higher prices games sell to much smaller markets than music and films are aimed at so they tend to shift less units comparitivly. I won't even mention that films get additional revenue from the cinma releases and music tends to attract advertising bonuses as well - two things that games just don't have (though ads in games are something that EA (hissssss) is looking at).

lobsterboy
lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014137 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 8:08 PM


Quote: How come a bunch of musicians can spend several weeks (or months) in an expensive recording studio and bang out the end product for 10, but a programmer (or bunch of) will charge 30 for a game or maybe 3k for some software?

Most software takes many more man-hours to produce than an album does, but one of the biggest costs in software is support. Not many people need to phone a helpdesk for support on how to play a CD.

Overread
Overread  63763 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 8:10 PM

And don't forget online multiplayer support as well - official servers can hang around for years before they can be turned off - and unless its an MMO with monthly fees then they don't get any extra money from that either

Overread
Overread  63763 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 8:18 PM

but it works - films and music generally sell to much larger markets.
In more recent times games might have started selling more as computers become standard houshold items, but the market prices are already set.
Add that to the above comments regarding development time, post production support, online support and so forth and I can see why a game costs more.

Also its interesting to note that currently the time it takes for a game to go from 30 to 5 bargin bin is very very quick for many games - some can enter in a under a year if they don't sell enough. Music tend to stick at the 10-15 area for a good long while before the CDs are discounted

robdebank
robdebank  5164 forum posts United Kingdom
2 Dec 2008 - 8:30 PM

Blimey, I'd better go and lay down, I almost agree with most of what ChrisL has said.

I point I've made before and no amount of debate will ever change my opinion, is that if Joe Average is not going to stump up 500 for Photoshop CS4 or 2500 for Autocad 2009 ( as 2 examples ) So if Joe uses a pirated copy, it is not going to reduce the developers revenue stream, because Joe would never have bought it in the first place.

Its a little bit like the moral dilemma of giving homeless folk, all the supermarket's out of date food. They wouldn't have bought it anyway, so why throw it away. It's no loss to the Supermarket.

Overread
Overread  63763 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
2 Dec 2008 - 8:32 PM

but the supermarket is going to lose the possible revenue on that food no matter where it is sent - and further they have control over the population that gets the food.
Its not like only poor people pirate programs.

hook
hook  7706 forum posts England
2 Dec 2008 - 8:33 PM

two types of people i blame for this!

the software company bosses for over pricing the software in the firstplace!

and the people who post the software on the internet for people to download if it wasnt there nobody would download it!!!

if CS3 was 75 how may people would but it? and get updates and stuff?


Only my view as i was pissed off that i had to buy CS3 at full price!!

Mk

robdebank
robdebank  5164 forum posts United Kingdom
2 Dec 2008 - 8:42 PM

Using the Supermarket was just an example to illustrate a moral dilemma. This thread is about software.

I knew this would happen ;o(

Anyway, I don't see many tramps with laptops, unless you happen to live down South, where they are all a bit posh and wussy.

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