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    KhalidIbn
    4 Dec 2008 - 9:16 AM
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    If I wanted to be a freelance/event photographer, would I be better off putting myself through university or buying a better camera? I use an Canon EOS 400D right now, but I'm not sure if going to university will be worth the investment versus better equipment, what do you guys think?

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    irishman
    4 Dec 2008 - 9:22 AM
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    Practice, pratcice, pratcice and then understand your camera inside out, know what all the functions are for and how to use them and at that stage upgrade your camera.

    Personally, I'd forget about the university route but don't rule out part-time evening courses.

    Chris_L
    4 Dec 2008 - 9:23 AM
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    You'd need to improve your equipment (eg backup body) in order to cover an event professionally.

    Event photographers who studied a photo course at Uni will be the minority.

    Look for charity events in your area, offer to cover them for free with no guarantees. Great practice. Take your camera to more events of family and friends, but 'work' professionally ensuring you get good photographs of everyone and key moments.

    Practice, practice, practice.

    Chris_L
    4 Dec 2008 - 9:23 AM
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    LOL @ us both saying practice three times!

    KhalidIbn
    4 Dec 2008 - 9:36 AM
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    I do know my camera inside out, I take it everywhere with me and study all the features, settings and custom functions included.

    I'm just not too sure on things like studio work because I don't have a studio and I'd say I need to read some more books on the rest of the subject matter to make sure I'm 100% understanding of composition etc. I haven't ruled out evening courses and have been looking around for courses beginning next year.

    by comparison my friend who think's she's a pro doesn't know anything about her camera settings/aperture/focal length/ISO and is thinking about getting an EOS 5D already (ludicrous I know!)

    elowes
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    2780 forum posts United Kingdom
    4 Dec 2008 - 10:03 AM
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    University will benefit you in many ways and is something you should consider. You can obtain advice from the university and local colleges. Local colleges may do university level or City and Guilds courses.

    Practice is a must and good advice given above. Better equipment is also good advice but the equipment is only as good as the photographer. Spending large sums of money won't make you a better photographer though in my case it gives me a warm glow inside Smile The 400D is a capable camera in the right hands. Perhaps a decent lens or two may be worthwhile and a decent flash will come in useful.

    Some people have been successful in photography without doing any course and others who have done a course have not. It really is down to your drive and ambition. It is not just going to happen no matter what.

    One thing you can do is to get out to local events and shoot some pictures. You will not have time to be timid so will have to push yourself forward without treading on the toes of the photographers there who are making a living at it and who know what they are doing. If you behave with respect they may even give you the benefit of their experience which something I have found in most cases if they don't see you as an immediate threat. If they are miserable sods, as some are, just move on.

    Small locally lead charities will often welcome free pictures. If you have a local market then use that as an opportunity. don't be afraid to ask.

    Local shop keepers will often let you take pictures. If you are building a portfolio then explain it to them and offer them a copy of a print. You can also offer to sell or give the best photos to something like the local council, Town Centre Manager (if you have one), local magazines, businesses, news letters etc.

    If you are into landscapes, portraits or studio work a different approach is needed but again don't be afraid to try it out. Landscapes are generally free, studios cost but for portrait work the ambient light is free and models are easy to get.

    Edit

    I make a very small amount of money from photography. I used to do home portrait shoots, local football clubs and a little industrial work many years back when I worked as a police photographer. You would be surprised at what people will pay money for!! Now I do some event work locally and have done a few portraits. If I have made £1,000 in the last two years that is as much. I have probably spent £2,000 on replacement kit in that time.

    Last Modified By elowes at 4 Dec 2008 - 10:09 AM
    KhalidIbn
    4 Dec 2008 - 10:28 AM
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    I do understand that getting a better camera wouldn't make me good, that wouldn't be true for any person in any situation as far as I'm concerned because if you don't know how to use your camera properly how are you supposed to get the shot you wanted.

    Sometimes I just feel a bit limited especially during things like sports as the 400D only shoots around 3fps which means you can miss that perfect shot by milliseconds.

    richard00
    4 Dec 2008 - 10:51 AM
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    3 fps is fine for a lot of sports - I've used a 400D, and rarely used that option - you end up filling the buffer too soon [shooting raw], thats why I got a 40D with a larger buffer, not the 6.5fps. A 40D [pair really] with some L lenses or fast primes is good enough for most people covering sport - no weather sealing, but a rain sleeve and a towel will stop most. A 5D has obvious advantages too.
    And if you're using flash, single shot is the way to go to help with recycling times

    Last Modified By richard00 at 4 Dec 2008 - 10:54 AM
    KhalidIbn
    4 Dec 2008 - 10:56 AM
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    I find the 3fps can be slow for games like rugby where if you don't get the right shot at the exact right time you can guarantee someones leg will obscure the shot in the next frame.

    also skateboarding, milliseconds count when someone is performing tricks etc.

    I don't really use my flash too much, i made the mistake of buying a cheap flash instead of a good flash and the built-in flash casts ugly shadows

    rowarrior
    4 Dec 2008 - 6:33 PM
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    I carried out a few experiments over the summer with sports stuff, and even when I had AI Servo mode on, the first shot was almost always the best of a sequence. The biggest trick I found was tracking things (yeah, I'm sure the pros have grown past this, but it helped me lol) Keep the eye open that's not looking through the viewfinder, and move the camera with the subject, then you're poised to press the shutter at the moment they do the critical move/trick. The more used you are to the subject, the more you can anticipate, and not look like quite such a numpty with the camera glued to your eye by moving it up later Wink

    Uni is very expensive and to be honest you will learn all you need in a fraction of the three years.
    THe best advice I can give is to get work experience with a photographer who works in the kind of field you want to go into.. don't let them take the piss and treat you as slave labour but will help you by educating you and showing you how they work...
    From this you should be able to then make your own judgements on what new kit to buy, in what order to buy it and where you can make compromises or where you really need to spend the money to get the right gear.
    Regardless of what some people will tell you, gear DOES matter. It is not a substitute for technique or ability as a photographer but it helps to have the right stuff for the job. If gear didn't matter then we'd all be running around with a D50 and a kit lens rather than investing thousands in high end bodies and L lenses.

    Chris_L
    4 Dec 2008 - 9:50 PM
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    Three things you can tell us that would help us advise you better

    What is your current kit, lenses, which flash etc.?

    What's a realistic budget for any new gear you might need?

    What are you going to be shooting?

    Events/Freelance covers a multitude of things. In order of how much you're likely to shoot; greatest first.

    KhalidIbn
    4 Dec 2008 - 11:18 PM
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    Canon EOS 400D
    2x Canon NB-2LH Battery
    BG-E3 Battery Grip
    RS-60E3 Remote Switch
    RC-5 Infrared Remote
    Hama Star 61 Tripod
    Kenko 58mm Circular PL
    Sandisk Extreme III CF 4GB

    Lenses
    EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 +EW-60C Lens Hood
    EF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 +ET-60 Lens Hood

    That's all I got, I only really got into cameras about a year ago when I bought the EOS400D on a random spending spree and since it's just something I really enjoy doing.

    Realistic budget: £5,000-£8,000 (I have more but I don't want to spend all my precious money)

    I did a wedding once and I sorted enjoyed it and I hear they pay well despite all the stress, although I'd probably enjoy being a documentary/news photographer more.

    Me and a fellow photographer from Norway are actually planning to goto the middle east/africa within the next few years and try I get some pictures we can sell to tabloids, news websites etc (is that a crazy plan that has no chance of success)

    Chris_L
    4 Dec 2008 - 11:39 PM
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    There's 101 ways to spend that money.

    There's no need to spend it all.

    I'd buy a 40D, relegate your 400D to a back up body. You'll find the 40D focusses faster, processes faster and takes more shots per second and for longer. If later you went for a 1 Series camera, the 40D would make a fab back up body.

    Your lenses are ****. For your close shots it's a toss up between the 24-105L f4.0 IS and 24-70L f2.8.

    For telephoto work (like the rugby) 70-200 L series lens as a minimum. f2.8 is better than f4.0 but costs more and is heavier. IS (Image Stabilisation) is nice to have but adds to the price and is not completely essential.

    If you get a 40D, one of the suggested wide L lenses and one of the suggested L telephotos, you will see a dramatic difference in sharpness, contrast, colour and you will miss less shots due to faster body, faster focusing body lens combo.

    So easy really one new body, two new lenses and you're good to go!

    You can add a much higher quality wider lens later when you see what route your photography takes (you can get by with the 18-55 for now). You can add a decent flash later, get a 580EX instead of mucking about with other models.

    Last Modified By Chris_L at 4 Dec 2008 - 11:44 PM
    KhalidIbn
    4 Dec 2008 - 11:50 PM
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    Quote: Your lenses are ****.

    Yeah, thanks Captain Obvious! I know my lenses are **** - they are after all kit lenses, can't expect miracles from any kit lens from what I've seen.

    Lenses are one of the areas I know little about sadly, but I didn't really feel like spending more on the lens than I did the body if you get me, I will be buying a better body, lenses and of course the 580EX II together.

    Thanks Chris_L, maybe when the time comes you can guide me to a suitable lens? I'd be grateful, you do know more about lenses than me after all.

    Last Modified By KhalidIbn at 4 Dec 2008 - 11:56 PM
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