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onewaymag.co.uk
11 Mar 2004 - 8:55 PM

There should be some sort of E Photozine publication. There are so many amazing photos on here, it would be good to have something to show for it in hard goods! There was probably a thread about this sometime back or whatever, but, pictures should be printed!!!!

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Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318443 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 9:27 PM

Good idea.

answersonapostcard
answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012603 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 9:29 PM

I agree with you that there are so many amazing photos on here, been sitting here for a couple of hours and still dont appear to have touched the surface. But how would you pick what to put in a hard copy of EPZ? And IMHO I think the web site is far better than a hard copy anyway, its target audience is potentially limitless.

Boyd
Boyd  1011213 forum posts Wales11 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 9:40 PM

Why not let Pete and the team decide what goes in it, and donate the profits to a charity chosen by the contributers?

paul_indigo
11 Mar 2004 - 9:41 PM

I suggest completely outside judges or perhaps a selection of the most popular images. To avoid any ambiguity or politics with website members.

Pete, you could do a survey to see what the potential market is. Bet a lot of publishers would kill to have an audience like this with almost guaranteed sales to people wanting to see their work in print.

One thing does worry me a bit though. I'm not sure that many of the shots will reproduce well in print. You could have real quality issues as some ephotoziners will not have high-res archived images.

Just some random thoughts in passing. Not sure why profits should go to a charity. There are not many sites offering free photography showcases and any revenue to keep this site free I think would be well deserved (and more than earned). I'm sure Pete and team work really hard and putting a book together will be very demanding.

answersonapostcard
answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012603 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 9:46 PM

Think you might have started something here onewaymag.co.uk!

keithh
keithh e2 Member 1023034 forum postskeithh vcard Wallis and Futuna33 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 9:56 PM

The quality issue would be a problem in some cases when it comes to publication. But on paper, a cracking idea and agree that if EPZ were to go ahead, they should keep the money - its called publishing.

flossie
flossie  111557 forum posts
11 Mar 2004 - 10:33 PM

I think there would definitely be a few ins and outs as always, but what a great idea.
I agree with keeping the proceeds for the site, maybe put a bit back in extra prizes, incentives and competitions etc (that would give the beginners a bit more chance of winning something) Also, if the prizes weren't all sponsored maybe the overseas members would be eligable to win?
I don't know how much work is involved in publishing a book but I think most people would be delighted to have one of their pictures selected, and I'm sure Pete could find a good way to use the profits to benefit the site and the members.

Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318443 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 10:38 PM

Picture quality would be an issue, but I'm sure most members would have their originals still. I'd see it as a sort of ePHOTOzine Year Book with pictures sectionalised into categories. I'd enjoy doing the picture editing for thatSmile

I'm not sure we would have enough sales to justify a print run though. We could end up with a room full of stock!

There's a band called Marillion (some will have heard of them)They ask fans to pay up front and when they have enough orders to justify producing the album they go for it. Each person who contributed to get it off the ground is mentioned on the album sleeve. That would be a safer way of doing this venture.

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110266 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 10:44 PM

Sort of like "Vanity Printing" but in a more positive sense. I think it has merit as an idea and would be willing to participate. (and share in the profits - if any Smile

Brian

answersonapostcard
answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012603 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 10:45 PM

Fish! How many 'sales' would a publisher need to justify the run?

SuziBlue
SuziBlue  1116195 forum posts Scotland10 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 10:45 PM

Excellent idea. This could even end up as a yearbook Wink Here's my contribution slapped down, whatever it needs to be.

IanA
IanA  103048 forum posts England12 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 11:02 PM

I would be quite happy to go along with the idea. I am sure Pete is quite capable of putting it together if he wants to, and is thick skinned enough to take the flack from anyone who doesn't like it. (He has proved that beyond doubt already!)
What sort of print run / interest would be required to get the idea off the ground??

Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318443 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2004 - 11:17 PM

You usually need a minimum of 1000 to get the cost to a decent level. The more you print the less it costs per copy, but the more you could end up wasting. I can cope fine with the design, layout, picture sourcing, print buying. My problem would come at the distribution side. We would obviously sell some here, but it would be good to get it in the shops and that's were I would struggle. Are there any members on here involved in selling books to the wholesalers?

paul_indigo
11 Mar 2004 - 11:24 PM

Total cost would depend on pagination, the stock, editing, layout, proofing, design, finishing and distribution costs. All in all a price tag not to be sniffed at. The smaller the print run the more expensive each copy.

I work for a company that specialises in publishing, communication and print management and would be willing to put a spec together. My company handles over 8 billion pages of print per year, that's serious buying power. But in the tradition of the BBC I don't want to mention brand names here.

So if you need help... And I'm in for a the contribution too. What would members be willing to pay? (5, 10, 15, 20 pounds a copy)I'm sure Pete's got his own contacts too.

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