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    paul_bennett
    30 Aug 2007 - 10:36 PM
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    Paul

    you being a extreme sports photographer can you give me an insight into these shots...im guessing a on camera flash would be used.

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    any more tips on shooting downhill would be great thanks...

    Last Modified By dougv at 30 Aug 2007 - 11:14 PM
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    30 Aug 2007 - 10:57 PM
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    Quote: ...im guessing a on camera flash would be used.

    That would depend on how close you are ....Smile

    If your on the other end of a 300mm lens, You are gonna need a hell of a flash unit.....Sad

    justin c
    30 Aug 2007 - 11:23 PM
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    You're better off directing the question to everybody for the best response. Afterall there are likely to be dozens, if not hundreds of experienced sports/action photographers here on Ephotozine qualified to answer your question, and quite likely some very experienced cycling photographers specifically.

    It looks like flash was used but it's more likely to be an external flashgun as opposed to a built in flash for the simple reason that the built in flashes on most DSLR's aren't really powerful enough for serious outdoor action photography.
    Looks like the ambient lighting on the background has been slightly underexposed on some of the shots, possibly on purpose to give more emphasis to the subject.
    Some of the images were taken using slowish shutter speeds to pan with the rider giving a blurred backdrop but a sharp subject.

    Last Modified By justin c at 30 Aug 2007 - 11:26 PM
    jimthistle73
    30 Aug 2007 - 11:30 PM
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    Well, Paul I ain't, but I have shot a fair bit of mountain bike action....

    Yes, those pics are a fine blend of panning and flash.

    Even on sunny days, downhill tracks are often dark in the wooded sections, so either use a top notch, fast focussing lens, or pre-focus then set to manual.

    paul_bennett
    31 Aug 2007 - 12:13 AM
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    ah so hopefully ill be getting some use out of my SB-800 afterall...woop woop thanks guys

    whipspeed
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    31 Aug 2007 - 8:19 AM
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    Definately flash & panning. Fairly fast shutter speed as well as there is no movement in the wheels. If you want to know what he did, contact the photographer who took the shots, you could probably contact him through British Cycling, Larry Hickmott the press officer would probably be able to help you, he's a really nice guy & puts up my work on there and links to my web site. Also helped me with selling a shot for an advertising job a few weeks ago, so I owe him a beer.
    Good luck shooting the action, it's something I'm going to have a go at this winter, along with some cyclocross after the time trials have finished.

    Sarah

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    31 Aug 2007 - 8:26 AM
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    well sarah is more expert than me for this subject , so I would concur with what she says ,

    the person my be using off camera flash with a radio transmitter to get closer to the action. would say a wide angle or small zoom was used to get close in to the action
    you will need that powerful flash and fast aperture lens
    in situations like this I experiment with settings till I get something that suits the action

    Pete
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    31 Aug 2007 - 8:35 AM
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    The above threads have answered the natural way which is a slow sync flash camera technique and here's one way to cheat using Photoshop

    csurry
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    31 Aug 2007 - 9:01 AM
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    Pete, really!!!

    We should be encouraging Paul to get it right in camera first. The art of using a flashgun to be creative will die out soon Tongue

    Coleslaw
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    31 Aug 2007 - 9:09 AM
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    And we prefer manipulating, rather then cheating....:-p

    ZenTog
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    31 Aug 2007 - 9:09 AM
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    if you have a strobe flash option on the nikon gun you could get movement trails in dark woods , these look really good with a dark back ground and a long shutter speed, I did it at the worlld indoor mountain baord champs a few years ago , ifyou look through my back portfolio you will see examples

    whipspeed
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    31 Aug 2007 - 1:00 PM
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    I would probably let the competitors know you will be using a strobe flash and where you will be, if the trails are tight through the trees, it could put them off. You'd get some good results though.

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