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Quote: Try not to come out with stuff like "everyone uses their mobile phones to take pictures and immediately upload to Facebook or whatever". It just makes you look daft. Everyone? Really?
Sorry, I'll use '99% in future rather than 'everyone' if it makes you feel better. I have yet to see a FB page amongst my FB "friends" which has had photos other than from a mobile but............. I expect you have far more such "friends" than me and spend vastly more time on FB than I do. So I bow to your superior knowledge, in this instance.
Quote: So all of those Japanese who (are forecast) to buy mirrorless cameras what are they doing with the pictures.
Whatever they would have done with with pics from their DSLRs.
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The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) conducted a
survey in December 2011, and produce a report, The Changing Landscape of Digital Photography
I haven't read it, it's members only or a $999 download, but it's summarised here
Percentages for camera usage are
primary photography device:
point-and-shoot camera 55%
Consumers with smartphones and tablets use sharing-related applications as follows:
emailing photos 58%
posting photos to a social networking site 48%
texting photos 45%
sending images from one phone to another 38%
The CEA report Digital America 2011, with forecasts for 2012/13 might of interest, the abridged version is a free download
!8% sounds very low. In my observation many people will own a 'proper' compact - but it gathers dust while they use their phone... even the revered Chris_L has, as I recall, admitted to that.
But some may still claim that the compact is their primary camera, I suppose, just by reason of ownership rather than use.
If you check the source, you'll see "the convenience of smartphones allows the average consumers to take 35 photos per month on their phones, versus 32 photos per month on their point-and-shoot cameras.”
Well it's America only of course. As we have seen, e.g. with camera sales in Japan, you cannot assume that every part of the world is the same.
I take the phone everywhere and shoot the odd photo or video on it. Video mainly. If I'm doing proper photos I take the 5D2 and the rest of the kit. Been on a few business trips lately and for London took my S95 as well as the phone.
The big advantage of the phone is being able to immediately email or upload a picture you've taken. The big advantage of the S95 is the superb quality for a pocket size body. The disadvantage of SLRs, mirrors or not, is they are just that little bit bigger, aren't as comfortable in a pocket and you start wanting a pouch or bag to carry them and if you're going to be carrying a bag anyway you may as well keep your existing SLR kit.
Quote: If I'm doing proper photos I take the 5D2 and the rest of the kit. Been on a few business trips lately and for London took my S95 as well as the phone.
So, just as a matter of interest roughly how would you split Phone-Compact-DSLR........... percentage wise?
(For myself I would say: Phone 0%, Compact 50%, CSC 50%).
The big advantage of a CSC for me over a DSLR is that I can carry just one small shoulder bag, with all sorts of stuff in it, with the camera plus two lenses (one of them on the camera), taking up very little room and adding not much to the weight. If I'm not carrying a bag it is either phone on its own (but almost never used) or phone + compact.
Gone, forever, are the days when I would carry a dedicated camera bag! I remember my first bag: with a Canon A-1 film SLR, and 28mm, 50mm and 70-210mm lenses: that was pretty weighty!
It would be a bit misleading to do that really. I might not take any pictures for a month on any device. One week I might not take any pictures apart from one on the phone of something funny I see in the supermarket. Another time I might spend three days solid taking photos with my DSLR.
Quote: One week I might not take any pictures apart from one on the phone of something funny I see in the supermarket.
I tried to use my phone to video an altercation in the supermarket a few days ago. In the excitement of it all, I not only failed to switch the (default) stills setting to video.............. but I dropped the phone as well!
Lol! (Luckily no damage - it was onto a rubberised mat near the exit).
Yeah thing I hate about the phone is by the time you get into camera mode the moment might have passed
I bought my current phone because it, allegedly, has the best camera of any smartphone. Whilst I have no reason to doubt that, the ergonomics of the phone itself - especially the rounded edges - make it a pain to use for photography. So I hardly ever do so. Which is a tad ironic, because I was seen a few years back as a bit of an advocate, on EPZ, of camera phones in their early days!
I can't really see what the fuss is about? Technology is advancing so fast that it's a fair bet that photographers in about ten years time will scoff at what we're currently using!
Whatever currently works for you should be good enough.
Quote: Technology is advancing so fast that it's a fair bet that photographers in about ten years time will scoff at what we're currently using!
But convenience is king these days............. quality is a long way second. And that's not just photography either!
Quote: It seems odd that when you read about how well four thirds format is doing and how well mirrorless format is doing why havent Canon or Nikon introduced more of them if thats the largest share of the world market. Or is the four thirds and mirrorless slr licensed to just sony or olympus.
Nikon have released the 1 series which looks promising. I expect Canon will bring out their own mirrorless camera range in the near future. The 4/3 system was an open interface, I believe, so anyone could bring out their own stuff to the defined spec. I don't think M4/3 is - I think you need a licence but I could be wrong. If Canon (and Nikon) don't wake up they're going to find that they're left with just the high end DSLR market - the mass consumer market for interchangeable lens cameras will have been taken by the CSCs from M4/3 and NEX.
Yes but Nikon & Canon most doubtedly make more revenue from the sale of full frame cameras than any other line , They are three or four times the price, So selling fewer full frame dslr,s than mirrorless is probably earning the company more revenue.
Also what you have to consider is the amount of lenses than these two giants are selling world wide its probably more than mirrorless and compacts revenue put together.
Nikon lens sales have reached over 50 million units world wide canon,s approx the same . So when you calculate the revenue from sales from dslr full frame and aps including the lens sales. this is probaly Nikons and Canons biggest market , Not by Volume but by liquid assets generated by the sales of both, Compared to mirrorless, Doesnt mean to say that mirrorless is selling more that this is the biggest market may have to sell more to come to the same profit margin as full frame sales due to the rrp its all about currency PROFIT
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