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PhillipMinnis
14 Feb 2014 - 11:38 AM

After having been a Guest Judge four times in the past 18 months, I certainly wouldn't like to see any restrictions placed on the number of awards a Guest Judge can issue, during the time he or she carries out the duty!

I issue awards from deep inside. It's hard to explain. I feel, instinctively, that some photos I view stand out above the rest. I have awarded images that I don't necessarily 'like', however, I value and recognise the ability and skill of the photographer, to capture such an image. Other times, I award purely on 'eye candy' images. If the scene, and the way it's been captured, excites me, or thrills me, I award it.

To restrict the number of awards that I could issue, for me, would stiffle that process. Also, some days, during the time I carried out the duty, I issued less than 5 awards. On other days, I issued 10 - 15 awards....sometimes, 20. It depended on what 'did it for me'.

So, to sum up - YES, bring back the Guest Editor Awards, urgently, and, NO, please don't restrict the Judges in any way, either by the number of awards they can issue, or the genre of image that should or should not be awarded.

I added the word 'urgently', due to the fact that, at present, the current staff are only issuing one or two awards each day. That is a considerable reduction in the number of awards that Pete handed out (on average) each day!

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tj
tj ePHOTOzine Staff 111943 forum poststj vcard England
14 Feb 2014 - 11:41 AM


Quote: That's a lot of judges. Are we talking one per week, per month or for all time and who specialises in Humour/Fun

Hi Keith,

I was just throwing the idea out there... it might not even be an appropriate solution, but worth discussing maybe.
But yeah, that would be a lot of judges for a lot of categories. Just thinking (along the lines of the PA Team of old) perhaps 'expert' judges in each of the categories would have fewer photos to judge and have a certain degree of credibility. This, in itself though, opens up a can of worms in selecting the 'experts'...

Trace

keithh
keithh e2 Member 1023027 forum postskeithh vcard Wallis and Futuna33 Constructive Critique Points
14 Feb 2014 - 11:46 AM

Well obviously I'd do Nude/Glamour and Wildlife Wink

Yep, worth throwing around the room a few times.

tj
tj ePHOTOzine Staff 111943 forum poststj vcard England
14 Feb 2014 - 11:47 AM


Quote: Well obviously I'd do Nude/Glamour and Wildlife Wink

Goes without saying! Wink

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ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014808 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
14 Feb 2014 - 11:52 AM

Would be a lot of judges I guess... and I bet, by definition, there will be more "competition" or "desire" to do the popular subjects of wildlife and landscape....

I'd take up the architecture mantle - can handle looking at 30 shots a day... something to do at brew time Smile and I actually like looking at architecture shots.

I actively avoid wildlife as it has no interest for me - which is probably the main reason I never volunteered to do the GE thing... I'd be self harming by the end looking at 500 bird on stick shots Wink


Selecting "experts"... well... err.... I guess you could keep the selection anonymous, to avoid any issues... think of the Stig approach.

Then again - I think anyone "freely" giving their time to judge shot would probably want the kudos of being named and recognised as a judge... something to put on your twitter profile Wink


CB to do Humour/Fun a he's always so joyous Wink

petebfrance
14 Feb 2014 - 11:53 AM


Quote: The answer is "all of them" Pete, but not sure how many that equates to - you can probably work it out using date filters in the gallery...

I just filtered all the shots uploaded in 1 day... here are results...

Wildlife / nature (105), Landscape / travel (94), General (82), Portraits / people (51), Close-up / macro (42), Flowers & plants (39), Architecture (31), Black & white (31), Photo journalism (27), Digitally manipulated (24), Humour / fun (24), Specialist / abstract (24), Pets / captive animals (21), Digital art (16), Nude / glamour (13), Flash / lighting (13), Nature (10), Birds (9), Transport (6), Sports / action (6), Bird (6), Fashion (5), Butterfly (5), Snow (5), Winter (4)
.

Thanks - I should have tried that, but I had assumed that some photos would be in more than one category. The idea of looking through over 600 a day is somewhat daunting to say the least .....and making a judgement on them would require a lot of skill and stamina.
Nevertheless, I was under the impression that just as in the Vs mode the original idea was to find the best regardless of subject matter, and I must admit that I think that is the 'purer approach' to finding the best photos than splitting by category (yes, I know that there are many with completely different view on that). In in the end pragmatism may have to win the day, but as finding one GE per week was difficult, finding more than one......

PhillipMinnis
14 Feb 2014 - 12:02 PM


Quote: The idea of looking through over 600 a day is somewhat daunting to say the least .....and making a judgement on them would require a lot of skill and stamina

In my opinion, if you commit to doing the carry out the duty, you should do it fairly. The only way to do it fairly is to view every image that is uploaded during the time you carry out the duty. I can, honestly, state that this is the way I carried out the job each time I did it.

In my opinion, every photographer who uploads an image should have an equal chance to win an award. The only way this can occur is to ensure that every image is viewed.

In my opinion, if you can't commit to doing this, you should take on the duty!

saltireblue
saltireblue Site Moderator 43914 forum postssaltireblue vcard Norway25 Constructive Critique Points
14 Feb 2014 - 12:06 PM


Quote: The idea of looking through over 600 a day is somewhat daunting to say the least .....and making a judgement on them would require a lot of skill and stamina.


It takes between 1.5 to 2 hours to look through and shortlist a days uploads. Then a short time to award and comment on why you have awarded.

petebfrance
14 Feb 2014 - 12:17 PM


Quote: The idea of looking through over 600 a day is somewhat daunting to say the least .....and making a judgement on them would require a lot of skill and stamina

.....
In my opinion, if you can't commit to doing this, you should take on the duty!

Unfortunately I think you have a typo there - should read

"In my opinion, if you can't commit to doing this, you should not take on the duty!"


Yes, I agree. Also, one would hope that the monitor used would be reasonably well-calibrated - I still can't quite get all the shades of grey sorted on mine without making the display too bright.

I wonder if a mod would fix the typo?

PhillipMinnis
14 Feb 2014 - 12:22 PM


Quote: In my opinion, if you can't commit to doing this, you should take on the duty!

Ooops.....it's 11.20pm, here, in Australia, and I'm tired. I did not do a very good job proofreading what I typed. Smile

I meant it to read: In my opinion, if you can't commit to doing this, you should not take on the duty!

Thank you for bring this error to my attention, Petebfrance. Smile

ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014808 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
14 Feb 2014 - 12:28 PM

2 hours/day - you've instantly lost a huge percentage of people who'd do it...

All depends on what you want really - I'm sure there are many experienced or even pro photographers who, like me, want to see EPZ do well and are willing to contribute a bit of time to help.

but doing a task which may take 2 hours/day and has them looking at stuff they have no experience or interest in....

I'm not saying it's a bad thing to get people to look at every shot - I'm saying it's not something many can't commit to - me included.

davidburleson
davidburleson ePHOTOzine Staff 72350 forum postsdavidburleson vcard United Kingdom
14 Feb 2014 - 12:37 PM


Quote: I added the word 'urgently', due to the fact that, at present, the current staff are only issuing one or two awards each day. That is a considerable reduction in the number of awards that Pete handed out (on average) each day!


Please refer to my graph:

http://www.ephotozine.com/forums/topic/editor-awards--or-lack-of-them-106732/p-7...

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answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012603 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
14 Feb 2014 - 12:56 PM

There were a few pro photographers on the old PA team but commitment due to time elsewhere was a problem, and not sure that would change and by dividing it up into judges for each might well be more problematic.

Personally I liked the previous GA system, not perfect but then what is.

PhillipMinnis
14 Feb 2014 - 1:05 PM

I'm sorry David, but you can keep using your graph to back up your argument that the number of awards being issued have not significantly dropped until the cows come home, however, it certainly doesn't correspond to my memory of the number of awards that Pete handed out. I can well remember many weeks where he handed out more than 30 awards, and on many occasions, I saw him issue 5 or 6 awards on a page of 60 photos. That is certainly nothing like the current situation. At the moment, we're lucky to see one or two images being awarded each day!

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ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014808 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
14 Feb 2014 - 1:16 PM


Quote: There were a few pro photographers on the old PA team but commitment due to time elsewhere was a problem, and not sure that would change and by dividing it up into judges for each might well be more problematic.

Personally I liked the previous GA system, not perfect but then what is.

yeah - fair point

the difference between "awarding" a "critiquing " in terms of time is vast though.....

was the PA thing the critique panel? memory failure lol

like I say - if I had 30 shots a day to look at and a button to click if I thought they were worthy of an award, I'd do it.

If I had 30 shots to critique, I'd not do it
If I had 550 shots to view and a button to click if I thought they were worthy of an award, I'd not do it.


you're right though, probably opening up more problems handing 20 editors at a time than 1....

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