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Got my first ever RC & HC award this week - wahey!!! feeling pretty chuffed, however, one person commented
Quote: I commend you on your composition, really good, however cant help but be disappointed that its just another photoshop make up job...whatever happened to getting it right on the day!
Felt just a 'wee' bit deflated, and just wondered what your thoughts were.
I personally don't see any problem in using PS to improve, change, or modify photographs. When you look at a photograph, surely you judge it on how it looks there and then, it's a finished piece, how you arrived at that finished piece isn't important.
I wouldn't stand in the Tate modern looking at a piece of sculpture and base my approval on how the piece was made. All that matters is the finished article.
I've been using Digital Cameras for about 3 years, I've been into PC's for about 20 years, I'm obviously going to use the tools that I'm more familiar and adept with.
I would like to think that since I've been posting on EPZ, my 'traditional' photographic skills have improved. I pay more attention to composition, I try and get the horizon level, I've started using filters, etc, etc.
I doubt I'll ever reach the commenter's standards as I simply don't have the time (Or the money!) to invest in what is essentially just a hobby.
I feel that Photoshop is just a natural progression from the darkroom to the 'home' office.
Any thoughts?
Martin
This topic crops up once every couple of weeks or so but this time at least it refers to a specific picture. General consensus of opinion is 'go with whatever works best for you'. We all have our limits as to what constitutes too much manipulation and, unsurprisingly, everyone's limit is different.
At the end of the day, we're in the business of creating images. If we're amateur then the images are primarily for ourselves, and if professional then primarily to be sold to keep a roof over our heads and a crust of bread on the table.
In my opinion, it's the final image that counts and every generation of photographer has used whatever tools and technology were available at the time to tweak the final image for the intended market. OK, so we now have Photoshop and all sorts of digital wizardy, but so what.
If the Luddites had their way we would all still be daubing pictures of bisons on our cave walls.
Dave.
Quote: Whether you'll reach the dizzy heights of your commenter I have no idea as his PF seems devoid of photographs.
Pity, really, I'd love to see the work of a chap that can get it right in camera every time! 
Must be great to able to get it spot on every time and not to have to bother with any post processing.
Just had a thought, PF devoid of photos, wasn't me was it making that comment?
I think people need to get off their purist, precious soap box now and again.
It's all down to whether or not you judge photography, digital or otherwise, as an art form or not. Most photographers are in it for the enjoyment of producing pleasing, beautiful images.
Does anyone care how Da Vinci, van Gogh etc etc achieved their final image when they are standing admiring it on a gallery wall? Ansel Adams was a darkroom fanatic I believe, and you can be sure he used whatever tools and techniques were available to him at the time to produce his finished images.
Sorry...rant over! Enjoy your accolade. At the end of the day, your image has to please you before it pleases anyone else.
I agree with Keithh, it's a bit rich coming on here and leaving comments without having any photos in your own pf for people to comment on.
You've obviously had a look at his website though. I wouldn't be too in awe of it. The pictures might be OK, but all that Bible quoting stuff makes me feel a bit queasy, and the writing style is very difficult to read.
There's nothing wrong with using Photoshop, unless you're totally dedicated to resisting the "onslaught of digital".
Congratulations on the RC and HC.
Richard
Don't get me wrong - I admire landscapes that we're done in camera more than those that weren't - save the now usual film mirroring, but have long since accepted PS...heck I have a copy of Version One after all.
I'm sayin' nowt, Frank.
and yes - high fallutin' quotes on a website make me queezy.
To my eyes he also appears to have not fully grasped the use of grads - a 121F might do him a few favours. Unless, of course, the grad lines and silhouettes are intentional.
Kris.
It would be wonderful to get it 'right' in camera wouldn't it? Save's all that effort later on, but lets face it, good images often need a helping hand to make them great images. Just enjoy the feeling of a RC and HC, as said earlier everyone has their own opinion, thats what makes this site great.
Don't worry about it Martin. All your critics' photos are heavily manipulated - just by different methods. To each his own.
More than just queasy - I started to dry retch.
Oh - congrats by the way :o)
Quote: disappointed that its just another photoshop make up job
Well, that's what Photoshop's for, innit?
You titled your thread 'Getting it right on the day versus Photoshop'. They are not mutually exclusive; you should get it right on the day and use Photoshop. Your digital camera just records the basic info, and PS allows you to put some polish on it and turn it into a decent image. In this respect, it is no different to the film/darkroom relationship.
Steve
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