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Once again the church finds itself in the spotlight over the sexual abuse of children. Personally I'm sick to death of the blessed church and what it thinks it's supposed to represent. God? Please....don't make me p*ke.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16216174
If there is a God, he must be revolted by some of the things he sees being done under the umbrella of the church. Whenever I see - or worse, hear - a priest spouting out his inane, impossible to prove, babble, it gives me an uncomfortable, sickly feeling. I'm sure religion gives comfort to many but with this latest revelation, it's difficult not to take on board at least some of what Pat Condell says -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4dSiHqpULk
"Religion is man-made. Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or gurus actually said or did."
Christopher Hitchens; who died today, had them sussed
There is good and bad in all things, The bad is always going to make worse publicity, No matter what the subject....!!!
Many people get something from thier various faiths, Some faiths actually do a lot of good around the world....!!!
Sure there are some " Rotten Apples " amongst the genuine apples, Thats the same for everything you can think of....!!!
Before you run off with the idea that I am in any way religeous, Forget it, I am the least religeous person you could find, Old fashioned to in that I believe in fairness to one and all....
Taring the church as a whole based on the activities of particular individuals is not entirely fair.....!!!
Truth is the " Law " is the problem, Not those enforcing the law, But those making the laws.....!!!!!!!!
If it was " Law " that child sexual abusers should have thier " Goolies " chopped off in public, It might help, Though I really favour full on capital punishment for these creatures....!!!
Not that I'm radical you understand......
The article is a little missleading - they shift between "abuse" and "sexual abuse" a lot; often using abuse just before a bit statistic (like one in ten) and then shift back to sexual abuse for more generalist statements with regard to the system.
I'm not denying that sexual abuse and abuse in general went on, but I get the feeling that its been worded to make sexual abuse read like it was the only abuse that the study was focused upon; and pushes to the both other kinds of abuse and general grey areas (for example if it were judged by todays standards isn't it considered abuse to smack your child).
As for the church, the problem is well founded that its not just the prevalence of but also the closed order and direct protection of those people who are sexual abusers; which heightens the problem and also the criticism of the church.
Quote: I'm not denying that sexual abuse and abuse in general went on, but I get the feeling that its been worded to make sexual abuse read like it was the only abuse that the study was focused upon; and pushes to the both other kinds of abuse and general grey areas (for example if it were judged by todays standards isn't it considered abuse to smack your child).
It seems to me that condoning abuse that might be deemed 'acceptable' is the first step along the road to escalating levels of abuse that could just as easily become sexual in nature. Children are vulnerable and highly susceptible to manipulation. Those in authority know this and the church is no exception.
I was baptised a catholic but awhile ago i just got really sick of all thses stories and i'v now made arranments that when i die i'm having a humanist funneral. The church ( any church ) seems to be self motivated and above all mere mortals and i for one think it stinks and will not have anything to do with it. I'v never been a church goer but the thought of what those people have been covering up for years is just sick and can not be defended on any level.
Bornstupix beat me to the Chris Hitchens quote, so I'll have a go:
Invisible man who lives in the sky and watches whether you're good or bad and rewards or punishes you? Sounds like Santa Claus for adults.
Think about it.
Quote: There is good and bad in all things, The bad is always going to make worse publicity, No matter what the subject....!!!
Many people get something from thier various faiths, Some faiths actually do a lot of good around the world....!!!
Sure there are some " Rotten Apples " amongst the genuine apples, Thats the same for everything you can think of....!!!
Before you run off with the idea that I am in any way religeous, Forget it, I am the least religeous person you could find, Old fashioned to in that I believe in fairness to one and all....
Taring the church as a whole based on the activities of particular individuals is not entirely fair.....!!!
Truth is the " Law " is the problem, Not those enforcing the law, But those making the laws.....!!!!!!!!
If it was " Law " that child sexual abusers should have thier " Goolies " chopped off in public, It might help, Though I really favour full on capital punishment for these creatures....!!!
Not that I'm radical you understand......
If we are talking about the institution, well... The Catholic Church is the richest boys club on earth, with assets to the tune of around 2Trillion $US. In my view it has no real connection with the members of joe public who truly believe in god and simply offers a haven behind closed doors for the perverts we read about to do as they will. Whilst providing oppulent surroundings and lifestyles for those that choose to join the club. When news gets out of their behaviour and wrongdoings, they close ranks and pretend nothing has happened, they make polititians look like Saints and spout about helping the worlds poor. What a load of crap, they should sell some of the priceless works of art stashed in the Vatican vaults and feed the starving millions around the world. They judge everyone of us and interfere in the laws and values of society yet with a massive dose of double standards cream off millions so they can provide for their own. The Catholic Church is a business run by a very select group of very shrewd people.
Religion, every single person on the planet would be better off without it, any argument stating otherwise hasn't looked at history.
Quote: If we are talking about the institution, well... The Catholic Church is the richest boys club on earth, with assets to the tune of around 2Trillion $US. In my view it has no real connection with the members of joe public who truly believe in god and simply offers a haven behind closed doors for the perverts we read about to do as they will. Whilst providing oppulent surroundings and lifestyles for those that choose to join the club. When news gets out of their behaviour and wrongdoings, they close ranks and pretend nothing has happened, they make polititians look like Saints and spout about helping the worlds poor. What a load of crap, they should sell some of the priceless works of art stashed in the Vatican vaults and feed the starving millions around the world. They judge everyone of us and interfere in the laws and values of society yet with a massive dose of double standards cream off millions so they can provide for their own. The Catholic Church is a business run by a very select group of very shrewd people.
Religion, every single person on the planet would be better off without it, any argument stating otherwise hasn't looked at history.
Simply splendid.
Henry VIII decided to close down the monastaries when he saw that the Abbot of Glastonbury lived more magnificently than he did.
Quote: Are you trying to say that a clip around the ear is the same as sexual abuse or that it might lead to it? Cause I think you might be onto a very hard line of arguing to prove such a case for the typical person on the street.
Hitting children is illegal.....but I'm sure folk know that. It's the subtle manipulation, the brainwashing, the coaxing.....the grooming, whilst all the time standing up and preaching 'the love of God, his goodness, his piety, his strength' ....and your eternal damnation should you fail him.
The strongest most insiduous message preached by the church is is not to question or criticise their wrongdoing...this is proved by the witch hunt and assaults (rightly or wrongly) carried out on convicted sex offenders. They appear to be fair game.
If we did not give in to the brainwashing by our religious leaders I doubt if there would be a safe priest or religious edifice left standing in some places.
The second most offensive dogma in my eyes is also there in politics. That is that my ideal of extremism is fine but yours is evil.
End religion and you wont end war but it may be a good start!
Any faith that requires its Priests to be celebrate can only lead to problems. Whist I have no doubt it is a minority it does seem to be a sizeable minority.
Religion has often been an authoritarian means of instilling discipline by fear thing about the term "god fearing".
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