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Going to test the 41mp Nokia PureView 808


joshwa e2
4 605 United Kingdom
22 May 2012 11:42AM
Hi,

I'm off to try the Nokia PureView 808 with Nokia - with 41mp sensor and Carl Zeiss lens - if you have any questions please let me know,

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/nokia-pureview-808-announced-with-41-megapixels-18584

Thanks

Josh

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Nikon or Nokia? Tongue
joshwa e2
4 605 United Kingdom
22 May 2012 11:55AM
Ooops Nokia Smile
Carabosse e2
11 39.5k 269 England
22 May 2012 12:07PM
Clearly the 'lossless' digital zoom is the primary attraction of the camera on this phone. So perhaps that aspect should come under detailed scrutiny, both for stills and video?

I assume, when the zoom is not being used, you have the benefit of full 41Mp images. Maybe compare the phone to its nearest competitor - the Nikon D800. Lol! Wink
joshwa e2
4 605 United Kingdom
22 May 2012 12:11PM
^ If only I had one Smile

There is a video here shot with the 808 as well as additional sample photos
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/05/21/making-the-nokia-808-pureview-%E2%80%93-exclusive-video-documentary/
joshwa e2
4 605 United Kingdom
22 May 2012 12:38PM





This video does a good job of explaining how they use the 41mp sensor and what options and controls are available on the phone such as ISO, WB, Exposure compensation etc.
Carabosse e2
11 39.5k 269 England
22 May 2012 12:48PM
Interesting vid. It sounds to me that the device uses pixel binning to reduce the (unzoomed) photo to 9Mp. But perhaps you could check that, Josh.

Maybe you could ask Nokia why they stuck with Symbian for this phone when they have already gone over to MS for other phones?
Carrera_c 5 256 3 United Kingdom
22 May 2012 2:53PM
Some questions I'd like to throw at Nokia

- Is there real long term support for Symbian, is there solid app development still going on for Symbian by 3rd parties?
- Will there be an option to upgrade it to Windows mobile at a later date? If so, will they port over/re-develop the camera interface (which does look quite nice).
- Do Nokia really believe that 41MP is going to be a real advantage over there competitors mobile cameras which mostly come in around 8-12MP, is 'loss-less zoom' something that people have craved on there mobile phones, or was this more about getting headlines and helping raise Nokia's profile given there current position in the smartphone market?
- Is a lens that small actually able to handle 41MP or does it out resolve it? A lot of the official sample images I've seen so far don't have very good fine detail when viewed at 100%, even the images that have been downed to 5-8MP haven't fared too well.
Carabosse e2
11 39.5k 269 England
22 May 2012 3:27PM
Also, what about the physical handling of the phone when used as a camera?

This is the problem I find with the N8. Whilst I like its curves from both an aesthetic point of view and also from a comfort aspect, i.e. when put in a shirt pocket, it is a slippery customer when it comes to using as a camera.
joshwa e2
4 605 United Kingdom
28 May 2012 9:35AM

Quote:Interesting vid. It sounds to me that the device uses pixel binning to reduce the (unzoomed) photo to 9Mp. But perhaps you could check that, Josh.

Maybe you could ask Nokia why they stuck with Symbian for this phone when they have already gone over to MS for other phones?



Nokia said that they are going to introduce PureView technology into future Windows phones, but whether they'll use the same 41mp sensor / lens combination is doubtful, as they are likely to want to have a slimmer profile.
joshwa e2
4 605 United Kingdom
28 May 2012 9:35AM

Quote:Also, what about the physical handling of the phone when used as a camera?

This is the problem I find with the N8. Whilst I like its curves from both an aesthetic point of view and also from a comfort aspect, i.e. when put in a shirt pocket, it is a slippery customer when it comes to using as a camera.



http://www.ephotozine.com/article/nokia-pureview-808-41mp-first-impressions-review-19289
As a Nokia N8 user, I would happily go over to the 808, however I will miss the metal body of the N8.
joshwa e2
4 605 United Kingdom
28 May 2012 9:41AM

Quote:Some questions I'd like to throw at Nokia

- Is there real long term support for Symbian, is there solid app development still going on for Symbian by 3rd parties?



Nokia are supporting Symbian till 2017, however whether 3rd parties support it or not is another matter. For example there is a new BA app that lets you book online, and it will send your boarding pass to your phone, the phones this is available for are: iPhone, Android, and Windows phone.


Quote:- Will there be an option to upgrade it to Windows mobile at a later date? If so, will they port over/re-develop the camera interface (which does look quite nice).


This was answered with a firm "No." the hardware/software is too customised.


Quote:- Do Nokia really believe that 41MP is going to be a real advantage over there competitors mobile cameras which mostly come in around 8-12MP, is 'loss-less zoom' something that people have craved on there mobile phones, or was this more about getting headlines and helping raise Nokia's profile given there current position in the smartphone market?


There are a lot of benefits to the technology, and the larger the resolution, the better the benefits available, such as lossless zoom, low light/noise benefits. We've gone into details here:
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/nokia-pureview-808-41mp-first-impressions-review-19289 Future PureView devices may not have as many megapixels. But part of it will be headline grabbing I guess. But also, you can't really announce a 41 megapixel camera phone without it grabbing headlines Smile


Quote:- Is a lens that small actually able to handle 41MP or does it out resolve it? A lot of the official sample images I've seen so far don't have very good fine detail when viewed at 100%, even the images that have been downed to 5-8MP haven't fared too well.


Have a look at the samples and lens information: http://www.ephotozine.com/article/nokia-pureview-808-41mp-first-impressions-review-19289
Ade_Osman e2
11 4.5k 36 England
28 May 2012 9:51AM
I'm sure the must have's will want one, but you can ask Nokia why I would possibly want to change from my better quality lower pixel count DigiSLR?.........And just exactly how the hell I'd attach a 500mm lens to it if I were to waste my money on it?.......Which I won't be! Tongue

Ade???????
JJGEE 9 6.4k 18 England
28 May 2012 9:57AM
OK

is this now primarily a camera that can make mobile telephone calls ?
Ade_Osman e2
11 4.5k 36 England
28 May 2012 10:09AM
When are Canon gonna come up with a bluetooth function on their next release whereby I could make a call using a DigiSLR......It's real hassle to pull my smartphone out of my pocket when I carrying a great big lens and a tripod around.

A very tongue in cheek Ade.....Though it actually kinda makes sense Tongue

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