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Its totally subjective.
I've been on ePz for many years now and for the majority of those years I had one HC photo and not a sniff after that, yet it didn't bother me as counting votes and getting awards isn't the important thing, its the enjoyment of the art.
Many times I posted a photo I thought was good only to see another in the same category which (in my view, which is again, subjective) got awards or more votes and that I thought was lacking in some way. Doesn't matter though, as I understand that its subjective.
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Well my nose has certainly put out of joint... nothing to say really
I wouldn't let it worry you, Barbara, everyone has different likes/dislikes, the world would be a very boring place if we all thought/did/acted the same. What one person considers a good photo is considered rubbish by another person, what matters is that YOU like it.
As long as whoever the guest editor is, is awarding the best pictures on the site for that week (in their opinion) then that's fine, job done. Those who don't agree with the choice have a chance to step up and show how it should be done. It's just one week. Sign up here. Be a Guest Editor for a week.
Quote: I have to agree with Pete - go for it! I might have done a bad job in some eyes, and a brilliant one in others, BUT, I picked the shots that made me go "WOW", as I'm sure all the other guest editors do.
One thing that was an eye-opener was that it made me look at EVERY image posted in the Gallery - something I haven't done in a looooooong while - e2 and it's option for favourites can make one a tad introverted, only looking at those photographers that have made it into your "favourites"
So, give it a go - it's a blast!
Completely agree with Fran here, isnt that the aim of being GE, to award images that the GE thinks is worthy of it? Surely it would be wrong to award an image that you think someone else may like? over the years I see that Pete has took a lot of flack over the years for his choices for HC and EC awards, but at the end of the day, he is the editor and awards the images that he sees as a cut above the rest. After all photography is not about other people liking your images, but whether the photographer likes the image / enjoyed taking & processing it. Each to their own, its not fair to criticise others choices. I really enjoyed looking at every image uploaded in my week of GE and it certainly opened my eyes to other genres that I would normally pass by. Keep up the good work everyone, and like Pete says, if you dont like the choices, step up and have a go yourself
I stand by the choices I made, even though one of them was mentioned by Jonathan as being of 'bad quality'.
I actually looked carefully at every picture in the gallery all week. Take your turn Jonathan you may learn something.
One thing I did when I was Guest Editor was to write a few comment lines explaining why I'd made the award to each and every pic that I deemed worthy. Takes a bit more time but at least others can then understand why the award was made rather than just seeing the sticker and wondering "Why?".
Quote: One thing I did when I was Guest Editor was to write a few comment lines explaining why I'd made the award to each and every pic that I deemed worthy. Takes a bit more time but at least others can then understand why the award was made rather than just seeing the sticker and wondering "Why?".
That was an excellent idea Dave - it also helps when trying to advance your technique to see why something does / doesn't work. Well at least in the eyes of the person giving the award.
Quote: As with any art form its all subjective.
Quote: Its totally subjective.
I hate to shatter one of the most dearly-held myths of EPZ but judgement of photographs is not entirely subjective. There are some pix which are just bad. They have no redeeming features - and that's not an opinion, it's a fact. One of the difficulties of technology is that there is a belief that if someone can use the technology then what they produce must have some merit. But it doesn't. I know how to use a paint brush but I certainly can't paint or draw, and if I did I would produce rubbish. No one thinks that anyone who can use Microsoft Word can write a novel, but for some reason we think that anyone who uses a camera (and posts the results on EPZ) can produce photographs which have some merit. But they can't. It just doesn't follow. I can think of at least one member who regularly posts on the site whose pix are unforgivably bad: vulgar, semi-pornographic, exploitative, technically inept, execrable. But he still gets some votes (not many, admittedly) because the problem lies not just with the photographer but the viewer as well. There are many EPZers who are doubtless dear and wonderful human beings but who simply don't have an eye for a photograph. They simply cannot distinguish between a snapshot and a good photograph. That's not to say they have nothing to contribute and shouldn't be on the site, it's a broad church and long may it remain so, but the idea that the best pix will be rewarded with Editor's Awards and the highest number of votes will happen around about the time Hell freezes over.
OK, bring it on...
James your completely missing the point about photos / art being subjective. If it wasn't we would have pages and pages of photos with awards based purely on there technical perfection, of course any award is subjective otherwise we could create a computer programme that goes, check, check, check, check, yep this one does all the boxes, yes it gets an award. However that may be to most dreary, liveless, colourless and unappealing photo ever taken.
If we ever get to that stage then we do seriously have something to worry about.
Quote: James your completely missing the point about photos / art being subjective.
You 'aint kiddin'!!
So you're both saying there's no such thing as a bad photo?
There is an element of truth in what James is saying. The issue lies somewhere between the social and serious photographic use as originally mentioned by the OP.
Quote: So you're both saying there's no such thing as a bad photo?
You're being pedantic.
Well, if there is such a thing as a photograph that everyone agrees is bad, then judgement is not wholly subjective. Too many people on EPZ use the catch-all 'it's all subjective' as an excuse for rewarding bad pix and suggesting that any criticism is unfair. It isn't - some of it is wholly justified.
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