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zanzibarwinds
17 Nov 2010 - 11:20 AM

Its totally subjective.

I've been on ePz for many years now and for the majority of those years I had one HC photo and not a sniff after that, yet it didn't bother me as counting votes and getting awards isn't the important thing, its the enjoyment of the art.

Many times I posted a photo I thought was good only to see another in the same category which (in my view, which is again, subjective) got awards or more votes and that I thought was lacking in some way. Doesn't matter though, as I understand that its subjective.

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barbarahirst
barbarahirst e2 Member 6barbarahirst vcard United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 11:43 AM

Well my nose has certainly put out of joint... nothing to say really

CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 7128 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece16 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 11:57 AM

I wouldn't let it worry you, Barbara, everyone has different likes/dislikes, the world would be a very boring place if we all thought/did/acted the same. What one person considers a good photo is considered rubbish by another person, what matters is that YOU like it.

Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318434 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 12:01 PM

As long as whoever the guest editor is, is awarding the best pictures on the site for that week (in their opinion) then that's fine, job done. Those who don't agree with the choice have a chance to step up and show how it should be done. It's just one week. Sign up here. Be a Guest Editor for a week.

MarkBroughton
17 Nov 2010 - 1:25 PM


Quote: I have to agree with Pete - go for it! I might have done a bad job in some eyes, and a brilliant one in others, BUT, I picked the shots that made me go "WOW", as I'm sure all the other guest editors do.

One thing that was an eye-opener was that it made me look at EVERY image posted in the Gallery - something I haven't done in a looooooong while - e2 and it's option for favourites can make one a tad introverted, only looking at those photographers that have made it into your "favourites" Wink

So, give it a go - it's a blast! Grin

F x

Completely agree with Fran here, isnt that the aim of being GE, to award images that the GE thinks is worthy of it? Surely it would be wrong to award an image that you think someone else may like? over the years I see that Pete has took a lot of flack over the years for his choices for HC and EC awards, but at the end of the day, he is the editor and awards the images that he sees as a cut above the rest. After all photography is not about other people liking your images, but whether the photographer likes the image / enjoyed taking & processing it. Each to their own, its not fair to criticise others choices. I really enjoyed looking at every image uploaded in my week of GE and it certainly opened my eyes to other genres that I would normally pass by. Keep up the good work everyone, and like Pete says, if you dont like the choices, step up and have a go yourself Smile

Last Modified By MarkBroughton at 17 Nov 2010 - 1:26 PM
MickyMc
MickyMc  6 United Kingdom
17 Nov 2010 - 1:35 PM

I stand by the choices I made, even though one of them was mentioned by Jonathan as being of 'bad quality'.

I actually looked carefully at every picture in the gallery all week. Take your turn Jonathan you may learn something.
Mavis

DaveU
DaveU e2 Member 81339 forum postsDaveU vcard England121 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 1:41 PM

One thing I did when I was Guest Editor was to write a few comment lines explaining why I'd made the award to each and every pic that I deemed worthy. Takes a bit more time but at least others can then understand why the award was made rather than just seeing the sticker and wondering "Why?".

Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73823 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 6:37 PM


Quote: One thing I did when I was Guest Editor was to write a few comment lines explaining why I'd made the award to each and every pic that I deemed worthy. Takes a bit more time but at least others can then understand why the award was made rather than just seeing the sticker and wondering "Why?".

That was an excellent idea Dave - it also helps when trying to advance your technique to see why something does / doesn't work. Well at least in the eyes of the person giving the award.

James_G
James_G  7166 forum posts5 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 7:34 PM


Quote: As with any art form its all subjective.


Quote: Its totally subjective.

I hate to shatter one of the most dearly-held myths of EPZ but judgement of photographs is not entirely subjective. There are some pix which are just bad. They have no redeeming features - and that's not an opinion, it's a fact. One of the difficulties of technology is that there is a belief that if someone can use the technology then what they produce must have some merit. But it doesn't. I know how to use a paint brush but I certainly can't paint or draw, and if I did I would produce rubbish. No one thinks that anyone who can use Microsoft Word can write a novel, but for some reason we think that anyone who uses a camera (and posts the results on EPZ) can produce photographs which have some merit. But they can't. It just doesn't follow. I can think of at least one member who regularly posts on the site whose pix are unforgivably bad: vulgar, semi-pornographic, exploitative, technically inept, execrable. But he still gets some votes (not many, admittedly) because the problem lies not just with the photographer but the viewer as well. There are many EPZers who are doubtless dear and wonderful human beings but who simply don't have an eye for a photograph. They simply cannot distinguish between a snapshot and a good photograph. That's not to say they have nothing to contribute and shouldn't be on the site, it's a broad church and long may it remain so, but the idea that the best pix will be rewarded with Editor's Awards and the highest number of votes will happen around about the time Hell freezes over.

OK, bring it on...

sidaorb
sidaorb  83857 forum posts England2 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 7:47 PM

James your completely missing the point about photos / art being subjective. If it wasn't we would have pages and pages of photos with awards based purely on there technical perfection, of course any award is subjective otherwise we could create a computer programme that goes, check, check, check, check, yep this one does all the boxes, yes it gets an award. However that may be to most dreary, liveless, colourless and unappealing photo ever taken.

If we ever get to that stage then we do seriously have something to worry about.

User_Removed
17 Nov 2010 - 7:58 PM


Quote: James your completely missing the point about photos / art being subjective.

You 'aint kiddin'!!

James_G
James_G  7166 forum posts5 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 8:06 PM

So you're both saying there's no such thing as a bad photo?

miptog
miptog  83532 forum posts United Kingdom61 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 8:21 PM

There is an element of truth in what James is saying. The issue lies somewhere between the social and serious photographic use as originally mentioned by the OP.

User_Removed
17 Nov 2010 - 8:24 PM


Quote: So you're both saying there's no such thing as a bad photo?

No.

You're being pedantic.

James_G
James_G  7166 forum posts5 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2010 - 9:15 PM

Well, if there is such a thing as a photograph that everyone agrees is bad, then judgement is not wholly subjective. Too many people on EPZ use the catch-all 'it's all subjective' as an excuse for rewarding bad pix and suggesting that any criticism is unfair. It isn't - some of it is wholly justified.

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