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SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64434 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2014 - 9:51 PM

My studio shots were taken with a G5 and the 20mm prime. A set-up I'm happy with. I was just wondering if the GX7 IQ would be better for street and documentary, and interior candids, which are my main interests. But I can manage, so still interested but not desperate. Grin

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StrayCat
StrayCat e2 Member 1014813 forum postsStrayCat vcard Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2014 - 10:00 PM

The key for me is IBIS, if you cared to go back to the beginning of Joshwa's E-M5 marathon thread you would see that I was touting Panasonic, I had my mind made up, I was getting Panasonic, but the deal breaker was the IS system in the E-M5, so useful with nature/wildlife photography where a tripod can be a bl**dy nuisance at times. I was a die-hard tripod user never the less, and was using it with the E-M5 when I first got it, till I tried a few wildlife shots handheld at 600mm equivalent, then I was sold. Every now and then I read Lemmy's posts, or watch his videos on youtube and I still get a Panny twinge, but it goes away as soon as I realise I have the best IS system available. We may have turned a few folks off with our over-the-top ranting about the E-M5 and Olly lenses, but I don't think there was any exageration in the long run.


Quote: I know the Gx7 has in-body IS but appears not to be sophisticated, however one blog I read thinks it's better than the 5 axis Oly version.

I don't have a GX7, but a claim like that is to be expected, it's human nature, but probably completely illogical. Everyone tends to need to justify their purchases, it's a fact of life. The only way to know absolutely, is to try it yourself, both systems, if you get the opportunity. In many cases IS is irrelavent, such as studio work, short fast lenses, etc., but in what I do, it's essential, and I've used all the top brands, nothing even comes close to IBIS. I test it almost every day under field conditions, where it counts most, and it works. Imagine having a Panasonic camera when the Olympus 300mm f4.0 is released, God forbid!!!Wink Sorry Lemmy.Grin

Last Modified By StrayCat at 24 Aug 2014 - 10:02 PM
SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64434 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2014 - 10:06 PM

You do completely different photography than I do SC, so we've nothing to compare. The first thing that put me off the GX7 was the tilting viewfinder which I think is completely unnecessary and bulky to boot. Chris_L has highlighted a few things that also made me think twice so I'm grateful for his highlighting those points. I'm very excited about MFT as I can see many improvements to come, so as I'm happy with what I've got I can wait until the camera/lens set-up comes along. In the meantime it's very interesting to read the views and reviews. But I think I'm a Panny girl at heart. Smile

StrayCat
StrayCat e2 Member 1014813 forum postsStrayCat vcard Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2014 - 10:17 PM

Excuse me, didn't realise this was a personal conversation.Blush

Chris_L
Chris_L e2 Member 901 forum postsChris_L vcard United Kingdom
24 Aug 2014 - 10:25 PM

@ Denny
The guy has both systems, I think he's considering selling one though, anyway he did a few tests, not scientific by any means. It was interesting that he didn't get the result he thought he would re IS http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-gx7-vs-the-om-d-e-...

@ SlowSong
My mistake, I think I got confused because it was the same lens. If your interest is candids then the GX7 has a couple of features that are indispensable for that, but features you may already have in the GX5? I'm thinking of the Wi-Fi control (via smartphone / tablet app) and the silent mode with electronic shutter.

If you want image quality improvement, don't change your body, sell your 20mm and get this instead Blush

The GX9 (or whatever comes next) would probably be the one that would make you upgrade but not me. I'm basing that on what I've seen happen with other systems and where upgrading, if it happens, tends to skip a generation.

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1315367 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2014 - 10:25 PM


Quote: I did used to shoot quite a bit of video and I might get back into it, makes me wonder if I'd have been better off with an Olympus body.

Its all swings and roundabouts Chris, some claim the 5 axis IS is king others claim the Panasonic video codecs are better, if you know what your doing with video then both can be equally as good, as this guy demonstrates.

http://vimeo.com/97004913

He also links to his behind the scenes video of the above.

Last Modified By Moderator Team at 25 Aug 2014 - 9:06 AM
lemmy
lemmy  71873 forum posts United Kingdom
24 Aug 2014 - 11:29 PM


Quote: e having a Panasonic camera when the Olympus 300mm f4.0 is released, God forbid!!! Sorry Lemmy.

I'd be very upset if I gave anyone the impression that I was some sort of Panasonic fanboy? Surely I haven't, have I? I have now and have always had both Olympus and Panasonic bodies and lenses.

If someone came out with a better system for my purposes than MFT, I'd sell MFT and buy that. They are just tools, no more.

So much of what is written is about cameras and lenses is train spotter stuff. If you can't make a decent picture with equipment from either of these makers, the problem is not the equipment.

There is little practical difference between Olympus's in body stabilization and Panasonic's in lens. As with lens charts and the all the paraphernalia of sensor testing, that is really the province of pipe smoking men in cardigans in their 1950s camera clubs than people who make pictures.

I personally have no interest in such a specialist lens as a 300 f4. I had all those sorts of lenses in my pro days and they stayed mostly in my car boot then, just as they would now. If Olympus do bring out that lens, it'd certainly be better used with stabilisation and thus an Olympus body. It would be a lot better on a tripod, though.

I have more day to day use for remote control, video and an electronic shutter and therefore my Panasonic bodies get more use.

Someone mentions makers lenses being best on their own bodies. That's nonsense. The best lens I've ever used is the 42.5 f1.2 Panasonic. I guarantee that it will be just as stunning on Olympus as it will on a Panasonic body.

It will actually focus a bit faster on a GH4 body due to the DfD database but if you put it on an E-M1 you will need a precision instrument to measure the difference. To human beings it's instantaneous.

The skill and application of the photographer still far outweighs any advantage given by some notional sensor or stabiliser or whatever superiority. Your best pictures will be taken on a camera that feels right and that you enjoy using. That's far more important than all the millisecond / multi veeble nonsense that camera maker's marketing men peddle.

SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64434 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2014 - 8:36 AM


Quote: Excuse me, didn't realise this was a personal conversation.Blush

If that was aimed at me SC I'm at a loss to understand your point. Sad No matter, I'll just read and not interfere. Blush

Coast
Coast Critique Team 61116 forum postsCoast vcard United Kingdom292 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2014 - 11:58 AM

Weather is grim and flat today. But then I have to work anyway Sad Off to Newcastle upon Tyne this afternoon so hopefully might get an hour early evening to get out with the OMD. Something to lighten the boredom of sitting in a hotel!

David (Lemmy) talks sense as always. I don't think there is anything wrong with evangelising about any kit that you have invested in and I imagine that people do this (myself included) when even after doing all the research and you believe you have a good understanding of what you are buying and confidence it will suit your photographic needs, it goes on to exceed your expectations.

The Panasonic Olympus "partnership" in MFT is a win for anyone interested in this format or looking for a portable and comprehensive system to invest into that delivers great IQ. The choice between DSLR style bodies , rangefinder or compact (such as the GM1) means that there is likely a body style that suits the individual and the photographic genres they shoot.

That is very evident in the feedback and comments that everyone makes and for those reading them to take into consideration to understand how this translates into advice subject to what the individuals needs are.

Ultimately the camera is a tool for the person behind it to record and create an image.

I again think there is nothing wrong with coming across as a "fanboy" of any brand as long as the commentary is factual amongst the emotion. The reason for the enthusiasm is because the kit works for the individual generally. It's the ones who snub or diss others comments on kit who are blind and potentially missing out. The Nikon is better than Canon or vice versa and the Panasonic are better than Olympus or vice versa.

After the Olympus scandal of a couple of years ago which I was appalled to read about I so easily could of chosen to snub Olympus as a brand as a result. The only real loser though would have been me as I would then have missed out on a camera system that has re-ignited my enthusiasm and passion for taking pictures.

Just my thoughts. Time to pack.

Paul

lemmy
lemmy  71873 forum posts United Kingdom
25 Aug 2014 - 12:32 PM


Quote: The reason for the enthusiasm is because the kit works for the individual generally. It's the ones who snub or diss others comments on kit who are blind and potentially missing out.

Yes, exactly. I get a fair bit of post and comments from MFT users and they are overwhelmingly reasonable and informed. Occasionally you get one like I did the other day.

In a review on the Panasonic Nocticron I basically said that it was probably the best lens I'd ever used but that I personally wouldn't buy one because I felt it overstepped my boundary for acceptable size and weight in a system I bought into for portability. I also said that if I constantly worked in very low light, specialized in portraiture or used MFT professionally, I would have to buy one regardless. Seemed reasonable to me.

Then I got this comment from someone saying that I obviously hated this lens, that it was the best lens ever made and anyone who criticized it was ridiculous. I started to reply and then.....what's the point? There are none so blind as those who will not see Wink

I did write a bit about hating the lens in my blog here so maybe he just read the heading!

Chris_L
Chris_L e2 Member 901 forum postsChris_L vcard United Kingdom
25 Aug 2014 - 12:43 PM

@ Chris (SlowSong) Couple of mixups in this thread, if you read again I think you'll see em Blush

When you replied to SC's post with "You do completely different photography than I do SC, so we've nothing to compare" and he joked he hadn't realised it was a "personal conversation" he was gently pointing out that he hadn't been talking only to you in his post. He was probably replying to what I'd said.

When I quoted my earlier posts and mentioned my S100, I wasn't even talking about that camera, didn't even know you had one.

I was poking fun at myself and how my 'dip' into m43 has seen a GX7 and 1k of lenses head my way after I fell in love with it. It's a huge u-turn for me, there's a history of me rubbishing the m43s as too big compared to a true compact and not as good as DSLRs. I've actually ADDED to the sales figures for mirrorless which I had scoffed at.

SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64434 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2014 - 12:46 PM


Quote: Excuse me, didn't realise this was a personal conversation.Blush If that was aimed at me SC I'm at a loss to understand your point. Sad No matter, I'll just read and not interfere. Blush

SORRY DENNY! Got all confused and unnecessary. Grin
Thanks Chris.
XXX

Last Modified By SlowSong at 25 Aug 2014 - 12:46 PM
Chris_L
Chris_L e2 Member 901 forum postsChris_L vcard United Kingdom
25 Aug 2014 - 12:56 PM


Quote: I felt it overstepped my boundary for acceptable size and weight in a system I bought into for portability

The key words that the detractor missed are "my" and "I". I think that's typical of the internet as often it's only a couple of words that distinguish whether someone is stating what he thinks is a fact or what is actually just his opinion. Sometimes people forget those words when writing and sometimes miss them when reading. People forget that it's horses for courses and what one person has no use for another finds indispensable.

First I've seen of that lens. Thanks a lot Sad These things can't be unseen you know David.

Last Modified By Chris_L at 25 Aug 2014 - 1:02 PM
SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64434 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2014 - 1:51 PM

Another grump for today. I read Lemmy's posts and blogs too often and they always make me want to buy stuff. Thank goodness it's all so expensive and, for me, unnecessary. I'd still like it though, you know, just to try. Smile

StrayCat
StrayCat e2 Member 1014813 forum postsStrayCat vcard Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2014 - 8:27 PM

Lemmy, just to put the record straight, I know you're not a Panasonic fanboy, and so what if you were, it isn't a crime. My comment about the 300mm f4 was a joke, referring to non-IS Panasonic cameras, which is probably the only reason I didn't buy Panasonic 2 years ago when I got Olympus, I don't really remember what tipped the scales, it isn't important to the big picture. My most used lens, about 95% of the time, is the Panasonic 100-300mm, with which I've taken over 40,000 images over a 2 year period. That makes it my most used lens ever. You certainly don't come across in this forum or your youtube videos as being biased toward anything irrationally, imo you tell it like it is, straight up, and that's why your reviews are so popular, they're honest, and that comes across in your presentations.

Anyway, I received an important update on the availability of the Olympus 300mm f4.0 lens yesterday from BHPhoto in New York.Smile

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