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High Key background light - exceed the sensor limit?

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    JackAllTog
    JackAllTog (e2 Member)
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    16 Mar 2011 - 12:59 PM
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    Yesterday i was told that the white background of a high key shot should not cause max out the sensor behind the subject (the display blinks black and white to show channel clipping)

    In contrast this article http://www.ephotozine.com/article/high-key-and-low-key-lighting-tutorial-13881 says:
    I then put two lights (one either side) at even power on a white background and adjust the power until I arrive at just below pure white (checking with the ink dropper tool that the values are below 255 in each colour channel) then I add 1/3 stop in power to bring my light just above white, resulting in a nice pure white background. By shooting a test with just these lights and the subject in place I can then check whether I have a silhouetted subject or if I’m starting to suffer flare (if I have flare I can add flags or reduce the light ensuring I still maintain white).

    I'm inclined to go for the latter aproach and "just" burnout the background - is this right?

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    Grampy
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    16 Mar 2011 - 3:47 PM
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    I normally take the background 1 stop over and it seems to work. It makes a big difference on how far your model is from the background so the light does not start to burn out the subject.
    Phill

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    arhb
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    16 Mar 2011 - 5:57 PM
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    Just a touch of burn-out, so that the reflected light doesn't affect the subject more than necessary.
    It's worth taking a meter reading from directly behind the subject when setting bg lights for good measure.

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    MikeLuter
    29 Mar 2011 - 9:59 PM
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    When you reach 255 and Photoshop, that is white without detail. At that point adding more light will not make it whiter… it just gives you more light returning from the background which can cause lens flare, and can also wash the subject out and make them appear flat.

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    BigRick
    29 Mar 2011 - 10:26 PM
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    i personaly go for over not under as i am after a bright white background with the shots i take like that....

    ethan-16-by-12.jpg

    MikeLuter
    29 Mar 2011 - 10:39 PM
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    retouched.jpg

    BigRick
    29 Mar 2011 - 10:43 PM
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    what has happened to her right arm around the elbow? a little too harsh with the liquify tool maybe? Wink

    MikeLuter
    29 Mar 2011 - 10:45 PM
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    Not sure, but there was no liquify tool used… and there were no animals harmed during the making of this image. Wink

    BigRick
    29 Mar 2011 - 10:50 PM
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    it just looks like her arm is one thickness while it is over the left arm, but then gets alot thinner when it is on its own? due to the size of the file, it is hard to see clearly. nice image nonetheless though. Smile

    I probably go a stop and a half above on the background lighting, as above the models distance from the background is important, too much burnout can ruin a shot but not enough makes it dull and murky.

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    ade_mcfade
    ade_mcfade (Critique Team)
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    29 Mar 2011 - 11:24 PM
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    think the main thing is to have a smooth backdrop Wink

    did a shoot at a mates house (for fun...) and the backdtop looked like ball of newspaper that had been unravelled. The back ground to the shots were very rough and shadowy - really can't be arsed editing any of the shots, even though some were nice poses

    Paul Morgan
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    30 Mar 2011 - 7:16 PM
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    Quote: think the main thing is to have a smooth backdrop

    Last year I picked up a white cloth roller blind, factory seconds, from a junk shop for a fiver. Once i`d found a way to support it on a pair of stands its been ace, never creases and when rolled up stays clean Smile

    ade_mcfade
    ade_mcfade (Critique Team)
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    30 Mar 2011 - 9:28 PM
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    cool - can you tell my mate Mac where you got it Wink

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