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meyeview
meyeview e2 Member 5613 forum postsmeyeview vcard Scotland
14 Apr 2013 - 9:44 AM

why do certain members of this site feel the need to give positive/non judgemental comments to some of the worst images ever?
It looks, to me, that some members say nice things to bad photographers so that they can receive reciprocal comments. they find that a poor photographer is more likely to admire their work rather than be judged by their peers.
if an image is poor then it should be critiqued as such. everyone who allows their images to be critiqued faces the consequences. if they don't like what they are told then I suggest that they, either, switch off comments, stop posting poor images or try to improve their technique.

those who comment and vote on obviously poor images should realise that they make themselves look stupid.
Ephotozine is for those of us looking to improve.
if all you want is to be told you are fabulous then I suggest you stick to facebook. your family and friends will fulfil your egotistical needs.

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franken
franken e2 Member 123143 forum postsfranken vcard Wales4 Constructive Critique Points
14 Apr 2013 - 9:50 AM

This topic is raised time and time again and there's no real answer to it.

I'm not saying it's right.

People use the site how they want to.


Ken

MikeRC
MikeRC e2 Member 93501 forum postsMikeRC vcard United Kingdom
14 Apr 2013 - 9:55 AM


Quote: People use the site how they want to.

....cheers Ken....quite right.

.....Mike

paulcookphotography

As the above comments say, everyone uses the site in different ways, but i think as soon as you start worrying about what everyone else is doing, you start to lose focus of your own work

MichaelMelb_AU
14 Apr 2013 - 10:23 AM

Everyone comes to everything with their own measure. As for me - I don't think anyone will rubbish the site deliberately, it's just that photographers interests and level of expertise variate a lot. Coming from this - I give an advice to the one who is ready to ask. There's no such thing as hopelessly bad photograph - the idea may be worth more than the technique employed, and I don't care of perfect histogram or millimetre precise rule of thirds. Some others do, and I do not feel uncomfortable with their presence. Cause it's my choice to accept or ignore.
Just my two cent worth on the topic.

sherlob
sherlob e2 Member 82332 forum postssherlob vcard United Kingdom125 Constructive Critique Points
14 Apr 2013 - 10:47 AM


Quote: It looks, to me, that some members say nice things to bad photographers so that they can receive reciprocal comments.

Each to their own - and why should it be of any of my business? Or for that matter anyone else's.

What exactly is a 'bad photographer'? Its worth remembering that we are supposed to be critiquing an image and not the person behind it. I've taken some photographs of which I am incredibly proud, and I've also taken some complete crap. Worse still - in the case of some of the crap I've quite liked it. Am I a 'bad' photographer?


Quote: Ephotozine is for those of us looking to improve.

As others have pointed out above - what people use the site for differs.

RayBeck
RayBeck e2 Member 9RayBeck vcard United Kingdom
14 Apr 2013 - 10:58 AM

I have to say that I have some sympathy with Brian's initial post especially about reciprocal comments. However, I do wonder whether it is not only that photographers say nice things to bad photographers but also that groups develop that give favourable comments on each others work to build up the votes etc. Am I being too cynical? Possibly as generally the images that receive a lot of votes are very good but at times when I have looked at an image and seen that it has received a substantial number of votes I have asked why. But then again this may be just that my view is different to those that have voted and that is surly the crux of the matter.

I am sure that some of what Brian has said does go on but this is an excellent site for seeing other peoples' work. putting your own up for comment by good photographers and learning from both aspects. As an average photographer I don't feel really qualified to comment on other images although sometimes when I see one that really appeals to me I simply have to tell the photographer so.

Possible solution? Make all comments and votes anonymous.

Final comment is that I think it brave of Brian to raise this issue. It wont make him the most popular contributor to this site but, as I have said, there are possibly grains of truth in what he has said.

Ray

capto
capto e2 Member 21173 forum postscapto vcard United Kingdom6 Constructive Critique Points
14 Apr 2013 - 11:00 AM

An inexperienced photographer with modest or budget equipment may post an image which 'experts' may consider to be of a poor standard. Given the circumstances this image probably deserves praise and maybe a little gentle guidance. I would rather give an award to a beginner who has made a good effort than an experienced member with more awards than they can count.

pulsar69
pulsar69  101611 forum posts United Kingdom6 Constructive Critique Points
14 Apr 2013 - 11:01 AM

"those who comment and vote on obviously poor images should realise that they make themselves look stupid."

You said all that needs saying there they do look stupid and are seen as such so dont worry about it ...

My thoughts : The voting system only works if you use it honestly , dont do reciprocal voting and vote for those images that inspire you , a readers awards is meaningless otherwise - camera cliches mean nothing to anyone, nor is anyone actually impressed by how many votes an image gets , the image is judged for what it is and the score is secondary. I occasionally post a shot and get a good handful of votes which i value because i know they havent been bought , I just pity those that feel the need to abuse the system to big themselves up..

Last Modified By pulsar69 at 14 Apr 2013 - 11:05 AM
Hallie
Hallie  1166 forum posts United Kingdom
14 Apr 2013 - 11:10 AM


Quote: It looks, to me, that some members say nice things to bad photographers so that they can receive reciprocal comments.

Some people have egos that might be difficult to contain.


Quote: Ephotozine is for those of us looking to improve.

We're all looking to improve and I expect for the more thoughtful there is an element of encouragement while making positive comments on poorer quality images. I doubt that there is a photography site on the internet which is free of tit for tat voting, liking and making comments in the hope its reciprocated.

The secret is not to worry about it Smile

ianrobinson
ianrobinson e2 Member 41108 forum postsianrobinson vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
14 Apr 2013 - 12:04 PM

People comment on images to inspire other photographers and therefore give comments, true or not it will inspire the photographer to do better.
Some photographers are good some are not, but only in the minds of individuals, example, your photography may not suit my taste but I would not rubbish it but then I would not comment or vote either.
The critique section of this site is where you should expect honesty about your image and if photographers don't use it then that is there prerogative but it would be wise to use the critique from time to time just to better your own photography.
I personally cannot vote on very soft images or poor quality as this is not an inspiration to me personally, I do however give my honest opinion on good quality images and I hope others do the same to me.
I think people tend to vote on other poorer quality images because they feel it polite to return the compliments.

I see some very good upcoming photographers who are learning and wanting to learn and need support of other good photographers with there comments, I see no harm in commenting to make some one feel better.
Sometimes Inspiration comes from better photographers commenting on others photo's that are not anywhere near as good, lets face it, we all started somewhere, so maybe giving others a chance might be more encouraging rather than rubbish them.

Last Modified By ianrobinson at 14 Apr 2013 - 12:18 PM
mossy
mossy  146 forum posts England1 Constructive Critique Points
14 Apr 2013 - 12:13 PM

Photography is subjective, what appeals to some might grate with others. there may be some that want others to comment, vote, and use the system to gain, but its not everyone. As stated this topic is a regular, running to many pages on another forum.

There is an option for critique if people want it, ive seen how some photographers seem to enjoy crushing a photo without adding any constructive advice, and of course the reverse. Dont think there is the perfect answer, however the site is large enough to cater to all.

ianrobinson
ianrobinson e2 Member 41108 forum postsianrobinson vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
14 Apr 2013 - 12:31 PM

I use this site to be inspired by photographers better than myself and hopefully inspire photographers who are learning.
We are all at different levels of photography, none of us know everything do we, and the fun behind photography is the fact that there's tons to learn and you will never get that perfect image as there is no such thing but it does not stop any of us chasing for it.

gcarth
gcarth e2 Member 102290 forum postsgcarth vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
14 Apr 2013 - 12:33 PM


Quote: I have to say that I have some sympathy with Brian's initial post especially about reciprocal comments. However, I do wonder whether it is not only that photographers say nice things to bad photographers but also that groups develop that give favourable comments on each others work to build up the votes etc. Am I being too cynical?

You could be being cynical - but you could be right. Wink


Quote: We're all looking to improve and I expect for the more thoughtful there is an element of encouragement while making positive comments on poorer quality images. I doubt that there is a photography site on the internet which is free of tit for tat voting, liking and making comments in the hope its reciprocated.

The secret is not to worry about it Smile

Well said: That said, I think those exceptionally good and appealing photos on the site tend to get lots of votes - deservedly.
I do like to see voters support their votes with comments and reasons why they like the photo - gives them more credence. Smile


Quote: Possible solution? Make all comments and votes anonymous.


Yes!

Last Modified By gcarth at 14 Apr 2013 - 12:34 PM
paulcookphotography

I'm not sure anonymous comments are such a good idea. Personally, i find a comment (good or bad) more useful if it comes from someone who's work i respect or admire (especially from those who produce similar types of work). If, for example, i posted a wildlife shot and a comment/advice was left from someone who specialised in that area, i would possibly find it more useful than a comment from someone who mainly shoots still life or portraits.

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