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How far will they go?

5 Aug 2007 5:51PM
"The price of democracy is eternal vigilance".

It is rare indeed for a government to relinquish powers gained by a previous administration even when they were gained in the face of their own opposition.

Each new power that an administration wishes to give itself should be treated with the utmost circumspection, cynicism and detailed scrutiny, because sure as hell when the trouble is past, they won't want to give it up. You can bet your sweet life there will be another crisis around the corner preservation from which can only be assured by retaining those powers, AND ADDING A FEW OTHERS.

Remember income tax. Temporary measure to pay for the Napoleonic Wars. Admittedly rescinded for a while afterwards but oh how hastily re-instated.

Everything ANY government does should be challenged, that's the job of the opposition and every citizen!!

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lobsterboy Plus
11 14.3k 13 United Kingdom
5 Aug 2007 6:14PM

Quote:Seriously though, If you have nothing to hide, Whats the problem......!

and why shouldn't I have something to hide?
5 Aug 2007 8:23PM
You can never trust ANY government completely. The value of democracy is that when they begin to overreach themselves we can vote them out.

as Churchill said

democracy is just the least worse system,


The price of that democracy is eternal vigilance.
mad-dogs Plus
12 2.2k England
5 Aug 2007 8:27PM
Sleep through Democracy, wake in Tyrany
SuziBlue Plus
12 16.2k 10 Scotland
5 Aug 2007 8:30PM

Quote:when they begin to overreach themselves we can vote them out

Always assuming of course that large percentages of the voting public haven't been disenfranchised - I'm remembering states like Florida ..

And look at this apathetic country - the UK - we have a system whereby a small fraction of the country will turn out to vote, and the first past the winning post gets the prize even though the relevant votes will be a fraction of that small fraction. There again, I guess it helps to have a disinterested, apathetic voting public ... rolls eyes
macroman Plus
11 15.3k England
5 Aug 2007 8:34PM
'If you've nothing to hide.....................etc.

Must be the daftest statement ever.
fauxtography Plus
9 6.6k 36
5 Aug 2007 8:41PM

Quote:Must be the daftest statement ever.

nah, always thought that was "this wont hurt a bit...."
cmawson 11 271 United Kingdom
5 Aug 2007 9:24PM
Sadly it could all be too late if the US citizens & other countries don't do something very soon.

The problem is the puppet masters of the neo-cons, such as Karl Rove & **** Cheney, get them ousted (not easy) then things may be better.

World domination can be economically justified & not just by using military force.
gcarth Plus
10 2.3k 1 United Kingdom
6 Aug 2007 11:43AM

Quote:Everything ANY government does should be challenged, that's the job of the opposition and every citizen!!
Too bloody right!
Where are all the angry young men and women?
Only a few commentators are suitably enraged and appalled at the state of civil liberties and world affairs: People like John Pilger; Robert Fisk; Harold Pinter; Tony Benn; Green Party members like Derek Wall; Caroline Lucas; Sian Berry. Even their passionate pleas for sanity are ignored by the sycophantic boot lickers to the Establishment in the media.
How often does the BBC broadcast the views of people like the above? Rarely if at all.
We will never have anything resembling civil liberties until we have a media that is free from Establishment bias and does not have to answer to advertisers or politicians.
Therefore, as neither civil liberties nor real democracy in general is likely to happen in the near future, for the reasons above, I think we have to wake up from our dream world and "start from the bottom up". We need to pull together; forget the rhetoric of the politicians - don't wait for them - they clearly don't know what is best for us. It's our duty to tell them...and remind them that they are there to serve us. Let's start to value people more than products otherwise big business and politicians will always have the upper hand.
By Jove, I feel better now!

mdpontin Plus
10 6.0k Scotland
6 Aug 2007 11:59AM
Well said, Garth. I believe that apathy is a serious problem in this country. Most people seem to just shrug and accept whatever new erosion of their freedom is foisted upon them. Those who view these trends with growing concern frequently feel powerless to do anything about it. Either way, opposition is largely impotent. The purpose of opposition in a democracy is to enforce scrutiny and accountability. Without those, the system is dangerously unbalanced.

6 Aug 2007 12:51PM
..the trouble is, a lot of them went to school and university together...
..nothing like a bit of fagging for keeping people in line!!
spaceman Plus
10 5.2k 3 Wales
6 Aug 2007 1:13PM
And what a long line it is.
6 Aug 2007 1:38PM
paulcr Plus
10 1.5k 9 Ireland
6 Aug 2007 2:11PM

Everything ANY government does should be challenged, that's the job of the opposition and every citizen!!

Well said! Paul
paulcr Plus
10 1.5k 9 Ireland
6 Aug 2007 2:12PM

Quote:You can never trust ANY government completely.

The U.S. govt in particular.

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