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    miptog
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    30 Jan 2008 - 8:52 PM
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    With the introduction of cameras like the D300 / D3 which offer much improved performance in low light and high iso, do you feel that what and how we photograph will change. For examples, higher iso allows greater use of ambient light without the need for flash.

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    Geoffphoto
    30 Jan 2008 - 8:57 PM
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    Quote: With the introduction of cameras like the D300 / D3 which offer much improved performance in low light and high iso, do you feel that what and how we photograph will change. For examples, higher iso allows greater use of ambient light without the need for flash.

    Change ? No more than when we all switched from film to digital - let's face it - a bad pic is a bad pic however you look at it, and whatever you took it with !! Smile

    croberts
    30 Jan 2008 - 9:03 PM
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    i dont think anything will change. it just makes life a bit easier.

    Certainly makes a difference at a dark winter wedding though.

    IanA
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    30 Jan 2008 - 9:04 PM
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    Conversation, Monday 28th, Covent Garden Hotel, London.

    "Now you've solved the noise problem will you be upping the pixel count on the D???"?

    "Our next priority is to improve the dynamic range of the media. We feel the resolution is good enough for most purposes."

    "With the advances over the last five years, what will you be announcing in five years time?"

    "Your guess is as good as mine, possibly better!"

    Ian Wink

    My guess is that in the (not so distant) future, 'ISO' will be a thing of the past and you'll be able to select any combination of shutter speed and aperture you like at one constant quality. I don't think this is necessarily a good thing as it will eradicate the grainy low light shot, apart from those photographers who add the grain in afterwards. Perhaps this will make an already somewhat ironic practice more prevalent.

    Neither do I think it will kill off flash, as flash is used for more than just lighting a scene because it is too dark, although continuous lights could replace flash altogether in the studio. Having said that, noiseless images at any setting coupled with amazing dynamic range and in-camera hdr (already kind of here with the D300 & D60's in-camera D-lighting) could possibly see off flash.

    But for all we may gain, something will defintely be lost...

    Steve

    miptog
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    30 Jan 2008 - 9:59 PM
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    Quote: But for all we may gain, something will definitely be lost...

    Thanks chaps. The above one liner is perhaps a good reply to the question. The responses are sufficient, for me at least, to accept that it will change things, albeit subtle in some cases.

    JJGEE
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    30 Jan 2008 - 10:08 PM
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    I've been using ISO 50 for the past 23 years and do not feel a need for a High ISO.
    So all the reviews of the recently released Digital Cameras claiming low noise at High ISO would not affect any buying decision. ( If I were considering to )
    All that would matter is the quality of the lowest ISO, which appears to be 100 on most cameras these days.

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    jimthistle73
    30 Jan 2008 - 10:17 PM
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    Well, it'll have some bearing on the livelihoods of those developing progs such as Noiseninja!

    I usually shoot weddings at a high ISO, metering for the ambient light, combined with a smallish burst of fill. To date, my main problem has been erradicating the noise whilst processing the pics.

    Any developments which bring noise levels down can only be good developments.

    PS - I often shoot on 1600 ISO film, 'cos I like the grain - paradoxes eh?!

    samfurlong
    30 Jan 2008 - 10:18 PM
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    Good high ISO preformance makes my life easier but I don't think it's going to fundamentally change photography.
    The effect of flash / ambient light are very different, one is not a substitute for another.
    It will push the boundaries of what is possible in photojournalism and wildlife (and other areas).
    Noise (for me) is never desirable as it is not like film grain, being more regular and having coloured pixels in it.

    afunkyname
    31 Jan 2008 - 12:32 AM
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    the d3 and d300 have just caught up have they? canon were years ahead of them from 300d onwards...

    i shoot with a 1dmk3 and 5d, yes i do crank them up to iso1600 without any probs.

    Carabosse
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    31 Jan 2008 - 1:10 AM
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    With digital, ISO has become just another exposure parameter - to be adjusted along with shutter speed and aperture. Don't see why there should be any limit on ISO provided it is noise-free.

    I certainly feel this is where manufacturers should be concentrating their efforts over the next few years, rather than endless (and sometimes counterproductive) increases in megapixellage.

    The ability to take noise-free non-flash photos in low light is a fantastic feature on any digital camera - and is an area where digital can already allow you to achieve photos which film never could.

    miptog
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    31 Jan 2008 - 1:12 AM
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    Quote: The d3 and d300 have just caught up have they?

    Merely used the Nikons as examples. In essence though, lower noise at very high iso, although currently available in top end models will start filtering through to the baser models, thereby allowing the masses to start taking types of pictures which they could never take before, hence have a impact on photography in general.

    miptog
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    31 Jan 2008 - 1:16 AM
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    Quote: The ability to take noise-free non-flash photos in low light is a fantastic feature on any digital camera - and is an area where digital can already allow you to achieve photos which film never could.

    Now match that with greatly improved dynamic range, as implied by Ian "Charcterboats"... things are a changing allowing us to use our cameras as never before, and this in itself must surely lead to new ways of photographing existing and new things.

    macroman
    31 Jan 2008 - 10:29 AM
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    You will probably find a suudden interest in producing grainy, atmospheric photos a la 1960's.

    All made courtesy of Photoshop/PSP.


    There are people who spend fortunes on lenses and then produce blurred pix Wink

    Last Modified By macroman at 31 Jan 2008 - 10:31 AM
    keithh
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    31 Jan 2008 - 10:57 AM
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    Quote: The d3 and d300 have just caught up have they?

    In a word, yes.....but more impressive is the dynamic range of the pair.

    CB is right (jeez). ISO is fast becoming (not there yet) just another exposure tool without quite the same pay off as film.

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