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Interesting, but depresing, conversation


whipspeed e2
10 4.0k 22 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 9:56PM
Talking to a member of the camera club this evening, he told me he'd had some shots in the local paper in a section where you can send in images & win a family photoshoot with a free print from a local independant studio.

Now they'd had the shoot & loved the photo, a free 16x12 print, but he couldn't believe that for extra images they were charging 40.00 for a 12x8. I said well, they've got to pay for the bills in the studio, pay for equipment and staff and make a living, so if he thought about it, that was quite a good price. Anyway, he said they weren't going to buy it as his son was going to scan the image and print it out for everyone, but as his scanner wouldn't take it all they were going to scan in 2 halves & put it together on the computer.

I was speechless, no wonder it's so bloody hard for photographers to make a living when even members of photographic clubs don't understand the concept of copyright theft.

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MrGoatsmilk 6 1.5k England
4 Aug 2011 10:02PM
Saying that though I wonder if such skin flints would actually be a target customer for a photographer. You will always get people like that no matter what, he probably eats a loaf whilst shopping too.
whipspeed e2
10 4.0k 22 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 10:03PM
Probably does Sad
Jestertheclown 6 6.4k 241 England
4 Aug 2011 10:08PM
Do people really pay 40.00 for a 12x8 print?
I certainly wouldn't and neither, I suspect would a lot of people.
Very few people will concern themselves with the issue of copyright theft if they have access to a scanner and can see a way of getting passable copies for nothing.
whipspeed e2
10 4.0k 22 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 10:14PM
Well 40.00 is a darn sight cheaper than Venture etc & people have to make a living & at that kind of price it's not going to be a luxury lifestyle.
I have to say the attitude of something for nothing & ripping off peoples work just really does pee me off.
MrGoatsmilk 6 1.5k England
4 Aug 2011 10:15PM
I am awaiting a thread from (new member)

"How do I scan and stitch a photo together in GIMP"
whipspeed e2
10 4.0k 22 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 10:16PM
LOL, so am I now Smile
User_Removed 10 3.3k 4 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 10:18PM
I see the copyright issue but I also see that it's a bit of a con in the first place. What you "win" is the chance to have a Venture-style family shoot followed by sales pressure to buy expensive photos and look a bit of a meanie in front of the kids who probably love loads of the images. Emotional blackmail.
MrGoatsmilk 6 1.5k England
4 Aug 2011 10:20PM
Good point Chris, you would think that for the comp and the advertising the studio got the "Winner" would get more than 1 shot perhaps a selection of shots to a set value perhaps.
whipspeed e2
10 4.0k 22 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 10:21PM
Yes, but they all do that & this is a small company and there was apparently no pressure, they were just told the prices given a price list with their free print that they had chosen so that they could order prints if they wanted. They sponsor the event in the paper & the prize is monthly.
Jestertheclown 6 6.4k 241 England
4 Aug 2011 10:22PM

Quote:I have to say the attitude of something for nothing & ripping off peoples work really does pee me off.

I see your point Sarah and I'm not suggesting it's right. It's just the way of the world nowadays.
Once they've got the free print, they'll assume that the shot is theirs to do with as they please.
As for 40.00 being a reasonable price; I've never thought much about it but I do know that our local photographic shop charges 5.50 for a 12x8, or at least they did about a year ago when I got one of my shots printed for our retiring Headteacher.
I assume there must be a huge difference in the quality.
User_Removed 10 3.3k 4 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 10:23PM
See, if I was him, I'd ignore the law too. The copyright may be with the photo studio but as I'd won that image I'd think nothing of copying it just as if I'd paid someone to come and take it whether legal or not. Obviously if it was the other way round and I was the photographer I'd see it differently. That's because I'm a hypocrite.
Paul Morgan e2
13 15.7k 6 England
4 Aug 2011 10:26PM
A bit like the typical Pixi Photo customer`s you see in places like Boots, they get a free sitting and a nice sized free print and turn down the sets of prints offered at fixed prices.

They then go and use the self service machines and scan the part of the print that will fit Smile

Not surprising really, often the last thing on busy mothers minds is an expensive portrait sittings, when they have only called in for the babies essentials and are strapped for cash anyway.
whipspeed e2
10 4.0k 22 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 10:28PM
Well I suppose you could sell prints for what you got them for, but wouldn't be any profit & they'd soon go out of business.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned and honest to still be surprised that people would just rip off copyright like that. So does that mean Chris that you would be happy with someone just ripping of your work?

Mind you someone bought one of my cycling images of themselves, entered a competition to be in a calendar & won. Then called me to tell me Smile I suppose at least he did that. Still, got a nice advert out of it in the end.
User_Removed 10 3.3k 4 United Kingdom
4 Aug 2011 10:28PM

Quote:this is a small company and there was apparently no pressure, they were just told the prices given a price list with their free print that they had chosen so that they could order prints if they wanted. They sponsor the event in the paper & the prize is monthly.


Hard sell or soft sell I get the feeling the studio are using this as a way to lure punters in and to get them to buy more photos than the one they get as a prize.


Quote:So does that mean Chris that you would be happy with someone just ripping of your work?


Nah I'd be effing livid! But I'm a hypocrite Grin

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