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mmm I agree there, not sure this is really the place to debate this
well, our participation in the war has largely been sold to us as taking the moral high ground... to see it flaunted, or allegedly flaunted, is rather shocking.
I guess this could tie back to the 'does digital photography make us more sceptical about photographs and is this a bad thing debate' 
Ceri
Don't think it has anything to do with digital.Have'nt photos been faked using the old technology?We have just become more sceptical of anything we are told,most thing we see and a lot of what we hear.We generally get too much information and most of us belive what we want to believe anyway.
Fake I think.
Uniforms to clean
Weapon is wrong model
Boots to clean
Laces in boots tied criss/cross not straight
Bedford vehicle in background wrong type for Gulf
Prisoner does not look tensed up or fearing for his life
He has no additional injuries or marks on him
Looks very staged to me...
Whether they are real or fake, they will be used as an excuse for the slaughter of more innocent people.
Ian
The shot of the soldier kicking the prisoner in the throat
When I saw that one, my first thought was that it must have been taken by the "soldier" doing the "kicking", due to the composition and AoV. The lorry looks remarkbly clean too; almost like them two Channel 4 cleaner-uppers had just been round! 
I'm afraid Ian is right though. When is Morgan going to resign. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! I always did think he was a snivelling little s***
My only hope is that these photographs turn out to be fakes. Our armed forces have done remarkable work in Southern Iraq and I for one would not like to see all that great work undone. If they are fakes Mr Morgan should go. If they turn out to be real we should remember that the vast majority of our armed servicmen and women do not behave in that way. Like I said, I hope they turn out to be fakes.
Gerry Matthews
If they are fakes then the motives behind it are extremely worrying. I have been involved with the RAF previously and do feel that we devalue what our forces do.
I have served with the the army on several occasions in Northern Ireland, Bosnia and the Gulf as a photographer. Apart for the list given by Chris there is also the size and build of the lad taking the 'kicking' he looks like your typical half starved Iraqi, also I have never yet met one soldier who will turn his face away from having a photo taken, they love showing off, posing with guns etc. The whole reason to take this type of photo is so you can show off to your mates back home, compare these photos with the one taken by the american troops and you will see the sort of thing I mean.
It's highly likely these pics are not fake. Staged, yes, but not fake. Even the apparently best intentioned seem unable to resist giving in to such behaviour .. remember Lt Col Tim Collins, his eve of battle speech and the subsequent accusations by the US of his mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.
The fact that these pictures hit the headlines rather than being passed higher up the command suggests to me that there's no faith in the services being able to self-regulate. Maybe money did change hands - who knows for sure. But what the pictures also give is the hollow ring of the 'freedom' being sold to the Middle East, and two fingers up to the articles of the Geneva Convention.
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