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    Homesdale
    23 Feb 2005 - 4:52 AM
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    I have never taken any photos in the RAW setting and just wondered how much you have to do to each photo to make it usuable to print?

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    croberts
    23 Feb 2005 - 4:54 AM
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    not much more than you would with a jpeg! colour correct and sharpen. i suppose its an extra step in the proceess, as you have to convert it to a TIFF or JPEG. The only other difference is that its far easier to colour correct a RAW file than a jpeg.

    Homesdale
    23 Feb 2005 - 4:57 AM
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    So when i take photos in RAW, i will have to do some correction to them, ie Sharpen, to make them ok.

    deviant
    23 Feb 2005 - 5:00 AM
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    Depends. I usualy just make sure colour temperature is ok and open them. It is possible to make some adjustment to exposure if required and sharpen/saturate images. Doesn't take long at all and you can do it in batches.

    Homesdale
    23 Feb 2005 - 5:03 AM
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    So at the end of the day is it better, quality wise to take the photos in Raw or just the normal jpeg mode?

    Bearing in mind i always do adjustments in the jpeg mode.

    Carabosse
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    23 Feb 2005 - 5:04 AM
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    Well using something like RawShooter you can adjust:

    Colour Temperature
    Tint
    Appearance
    Exposure Compensation
    Fill Light
    Shadow Contrast
    Highlight Contrast
    Saturation
    Hue
    Sharpness
    Detail Extraction
    Noise Suppression
    Colour Noise Suppression

    Phew!!

    Obviously you don't HAVE to adjust all those: limit it to colour correction and sharpness if you want.

    But then with the latest DSLRs you can adjust several of the in-camera processing parameters too.

    Experiment and see for yourself, I think. What is right for one person may not be right for another. If you constantly find yourself making major adjustments to JPEG you may want to see if RAW will give a better result. At least we now seem to have some decent quality free software in RawShooter so you don't have to commit yourself to any expenditure.

    No definite answers here, I'm afraid!!

    croberts
    23 Feb 2005 - 5:05 AM
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    RAW will give you as good a quality shot as your camera is capable of. If you are doing your adjustments as JPEG, then at least you have a better quality file to start with

    elowes
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    23 Feb 2005 - 5:48 AM
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    I use jpeg when I know I am running out of space on the cards I have with me (as I have done on a couple of trips abroad and have now got a lot more cards) and RAW when I know I have the space.

    I find RAW to be better but the additional processing of the image takes time and a little getting used to.

    Never work on jpegs. Once down loaded they should be worked in PS format or tiff. If you save a worked jpeg the compression causes a loss of information. Sorry if I am teaching egg sucking but I know of one or two people who always do every thing in jpeg to save hard drive space.

    brian1208
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    23 Feb 2005 - 5:50 AM
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    There used to be a bread advert that claimed it was always better to start "With nowt taken out". That's why I use RAW.

    (If you don't want to "muck about" most RAW processors have an "auto" option which can give you an idea of how the shot could look with one click of the button - but you can always go back to the original data if you don't like the result)

    Brian

    philwig
    23 Feb 2005 - 5:56 AM
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    As above. I use the Adobe RAW plug-in thing so it's pretty much the same as it would be with JPEG, I just get that first step where I can correct any colour issues or exposure problems, which I couldn't do with jpeg. Plus it's uncompressed of course, so there's no JPEG artifacts.

    If you're picky about quality then you already use no in-camera "enhancements" (sharpening etc).

    The main disadvantage is that you can't just flip through a slide-show of jpegs, unless you shoot simultaneous RAW+JPEG (which I found a pain anyway). You can easily create a "droplet" for PS if you like to create machine-generated jpegs from eveything. Personally I look at each shot in ACR's preview (at 100%) and work that way. It's acceptably fast for showing customers if you have a good pc.

    LAF
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    23 Feb 2005 - 6:22 AM
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    Quote: is it a lot of mucking about with RAW?

    Yes. But it's worth it.

    Lee.

    brian1208
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    23 Feb 2005 - 6:29 AM
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    RAW Shooter has a very nice Slide Show facility, good for viewing, sorting and deleting as well

    brian

    keithh
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    23 Feb 2005 - 6:52 AM
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    Just been having a go with RAW Shooter.
    It's obviously laid out for the mass market and it does have some 'gimicky' tweaks which might prove useful, but it doesn't have the smooth feel of Capture One and I might be missing something but I couldn't see a curve or level tool.
    Thought the saturation tool was a bit Bull in a China Shop too as was the noise supression.
    However, it's early days - we'll have to wait and see.

    There isn't a curve or level tool - it's just the shadow contrast, highlight contrast and fill-light sliders.
    However, even though I also use C1 I do think this is worth keeping both an eye and an open mind on - once it works on my AthlonXP/Win2K photo editing PC that is Wink

    RAW - there is no better way.

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