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masterpiece yes or no


16 Apr 2013 7:41PM
bat out of hell album by meatloaf was is this a music masterpiece or just another rock album

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arhb e2
7 2.5k 68 United Kingdom
16 Apr 2013 8:02PM
I put it in the same catagory as Bohemian Rhapsody and Stairway to heaven(et all) really - different but the same.
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
16 Apr 2013 8:16PM
big part of my childhood - was all over the place when I was a kid...

we used to put it on, the whole thing, in pubs - just as we were leaving... each song is really long... would have done everyone's head in after a while!

there are a lot worse albums out there - and a few tracks are proper sing along classics
saltireblue e2
4 4.3k 26 Norway
16 Apr 2013 8:18PM
It goes in the category Great First Album, Shame About the Follow-Ups.
parallax 5 121 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 7:57AM
Bombastic and overrated.

Todd Rundgren did a better job on XTC's Skylarking.
keithh e2
11 23.4k 33 Wallis And Futuna
17 Apr 2013 9:00AM
How can an album that has become as well known as this one, third best selling album of all time, a part of the rock music language, not be a classic. Even if you don't like it, it has to be a classic.

Its easy to dismiss meat now for what he has become (great bloke though) but don't forget the imapct that this big sweaty over-dressed semi-operatic had - he was at the time unique, Steinman's music was unique, the associated artwork etc - it was and is a classic.
mikehit e2
5 7.1k 11 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 9:13AM
the problem with this question is that people put it in the context of everything from classical to blues to jazz etc. .

Bombastic? Yes
Do I like it? enormously.
Masterpiece? I don't care. In the grand scheme of the pantheon of music, definitely not. In the context of heavy rock music, I would say yes. Most people would not consider Damien Hirst's pickled half cow a masterpiece, others would say it is a masterpiece (conceptually at least) in the context of the modern art movement.
LVanDhal 2 126 1 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 9:44AM
The sheer sweeping unashamed theatricality of Bat out hell, the verging on operatic vocals of Mister loaf, the genius that is Jim steinman,how can anyone dispute its place in music history as a classic album of all time status.
What makes Bat out of hell a genuine classic is that it combines the essential factors from so many diffing musical genres, in to one entire album and manages to present it with out ultimately confining it self musically to one genre.
That is the brilliance of the album and perhaps why there could be no real follow up to match it, Steinman and Mister Loaf peaked with the Bat out of Hell Album and ever after, through both undoubtedly talented ( and in steinmans case I would say cursed with genius along the same lines as Phil Specter) could only go on to do something either entirely different which would and sometimes did lead to undeserved criticism by comparison of later work to Bat out of Hell, or rehash the same idea, bit of a trap for them both really and one neither deserved and no wonder they fell out for a period of time, the pressure being to match something that was unmatchable.
Bat out of Hell, is the ultimate combination of Musical, Rock, Opera, Theater,Jazz, spoken word, Pop, choral, deliver as a performance piece and yet also works as a stand alone Album that is acessable to fans or non fans in that you don't have to understand Mister Loafs or Jim Steinmans back catalogue of work to work out what the Album is really all about.
arhb e2
7 2.5k 68 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 10:24AM
What's interesting about the comments above is that Bat Loaf - single or album just aren't rated by the general public, in the same way as other iconic pop music is.
Whan people talk about epic bands and songs of the 70's, Bat Loaf isn't on the tip of their tongues - simple as that Smile
mikehit e2
5 7.1k 11 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 10:37AM
Who do you mean by 'the general public'?
You can't deny that Bat Loaf was a milestone in rock music and is the 5th biggest selling album of all time. :


Quote:Bat Out of Hell has sold an estimated 43 million copies globally (15 million of those in the United States),[1] making it one of the highest selling albums of all time. In the UK alone, its 2.1 million sales put it in 38th place. Despite peaking at #9 and spending only two weeks in the top ten in 1981, it has now clocked up 474 weeks on the UK album chart, a figure bettered only by Rumours by Fleetwood Mac - 478 weeks. In Australia, it knocked the Bee Gees off the number #1 spot and went on to become the biggest-selling Australian album of all time for several years. It is now second on the list. Bat Out of Hell is also one of only two albums that has never exited the Top 200 in the UK charts;[citation needed] this makes it the longest stay in any music chart in the world, although the published chart contains just 75 positions.

(Wikipedia)




I am not saying he is equal to Led Zeppelin or The Who, and he may not be on the tip of people's tongues (how many are?), but when you mention Meat Loaf the 'general public' know who you mean. Similarly, the Bee Gees would not be on the tip of my tongue (ie unprompted) as a 'classic group' but if you mention them I can recall many songs they sang and wrote.
arhb e2
7 2.5k 68 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 10:48AM
If you were to do a high street survey in any major UK town, asking random individuals what are their top 5 tunes of the 70's, statistically I would bet that Meat Hell wont be in there.
That is what I mean by general public.

Mike, anyone can write stuff for wiki - it doesn't mean much imo
mikehit e2
5 7.1k 11 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 11:07AM

Quote:Mike, anyone can write stuff for wiki - it doesn't mean much imo

What an easy cop-out. All those hard numbers will be supportable.


Quote:If you were to do a high street survey in any major UK town, asking random individuals what are their top 5 tunes of the 70's, statistically I would bet that Meat Hell wont be in there.

Nor, I would guess would a hell of a lot of other classic tunes/artists.
LVanDhal 2 126 1 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 11:35AM

Quote:

Mike, anyone can write stuff for wiki - it doesn't mean much imo



Anyone can write anything ...and have it published in any form they care to....so how do you verify any information ?
arhb e2
7 2.5k 68 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 11:56AM
I didn't mean it as a cop out - just that there may be better places to source statistic from. I have fallen flat in a debate before after quoting info from wiki, which turned out to be mis-information.

If Meatloaf had sustained their success in the long term, with a string of hit albums instead of the 'also ran' tracks that were released in an attempt to relive bat...., they would be more memorable -
and get played regularly on shows like radio 2, that play popular music from yeteryear day-in-day-out.
They don't.
arhb e2
7 2.5k 68 United Kingdom
17 Apr 2013 11:58AM

Quote:Mike, anyone can write stuff for wiki - it doesn't mean much imo

Anyone can write anything ...and have it published in any form they care to....so how do you verify any information ?



Find the record co or publishing co website - that's what I would quote from.

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