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    PhotoFreak
    15 Mar 2009 - 5:56 PM
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    Hi everyone.

    I have recently looked at some pictures I took years ago with a medium format camera and gotta tell ya, despite my inadequate skills they looked amazing.
    So I was wondering, how good and worth is it to use medium format film alongside digital? I absolutely love film but will always use digital.

    So I would be very grateful if people could tell me their opinions on using medium format film opposed to digital SLRs and what would be envolved in digitising film.

    Kind regards,
    Hilmar

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    gary_d
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    15 Mar 2009 - 6:32 PM
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    Scan the photo's into photoshop and you have a digital image is one way. - gary

    Snapper
    15 Mar 2009 - 6:36 PM
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    You'll need a scanner, and probably one of Epson's flatbeds would be best. After that, you're off and running.

    Edit: the Epson V500 does medium format.

    Last Modified By Snapper at 15 Mar 2009 - 6:39 PM
    Mike Otley
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    15 Mar 2009 - 7:22 PM
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    The V700 is even better in terms of output Wink (Don't bother with the V750 - the difference in price is not worth it)

    Last Modified By Mike Otley at 15 Mar 2009 - 7:23 PM
    Nigeyboy
    15 Mar 2009 - 8:55 PM
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    I am looking into this very topic myself. Dusted off the Bronica, and intend to purchase a Canon 8800F scanner to scan the developed films.

    cameracat
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    15 Mar 2009 - 10:07 PM
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    Try a comparison with an image from a medium format digital.......!

    The Phase One ( Mamiya ) approach is almost affordable....Sad

    ljesmith
    15 Mar 2009 - 10:43 PM
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    I currently shoot on Hasselblad and scan using an Epson V700. The results are on my profile.

    PhotoFreak
    16 Mar 2009 - 1:36 AM
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    From what I heard the quality is better but I really wonder about the grain of the film. When scanned is it very prominent with lets say films of 50 or 100 ISO?

    When I have a few thousand pounds spare I'll for sure get a phaseone kit. Wink

    Krakman
    16 Mar 2009 - 12:37 PM
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    Quote: I really wonder about the grain of the film. When scanned is it very prominent with lets say films of 50 or 100 ISO?

    In short, no.

    I tested my digital MF against normal 35mm digital DSLR, the MF was the winner no doubt, film MF is incredible, that's why i am looking to get one.

    joolsb
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    17 Mar 2009 - 8:12 AM
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    Quote: In short, no.

    In slightly longer, it depends on the scanner.

    A consumer flatbed doesn't have the resolution to see down to the grain so it never becomes an issue in the first place. Film-scanners do have the resolution but can suffer from 'grain aliasing' where the grid of the sensor-array interferes with the grain-pattern and thereby has a magnifying effect on grain. However, you can use a special diffuser to soften the light-source and reduce this effect.

    A drum scanner doesn't suffer from either of these problems and therefore offers the highest attainable scan quality.

    Last Modified By joolsb at 17 Mar 2009 - 8:12 AM
    ZenTog
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    17 Mar 2009 - 8:37 AM
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    years ago i scanned some mf colour slide film wih a rating of 50 asa, even took up to A3 plus you couldnt see any grain at all, this was with a good flatbed with a film drawer, forgotten the make but the results were fantastic
    i used to ust the top optical res of the scanner, very slow , very large files but very very good to work with

    ZenTog
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    17 Mar 2009 - 8:38 AM
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    Quote: I tested my digital MF against normal 35mm digital DSLR, the MF was the winner no doubt, film MF is incredible, that's why i am looking to get one.

    I have a full set up a mamiya rb pros 67 setup with everything for sale

    Professional
    17 Mar 2009 - 11:55 AM
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    Quote: Quote:I tested my digital MF against normal 35mm digital DSLR, the MF was the winner no doubt, film MF is incredible, that's why i am looking to get one.I have a full set up a mamiya rb pros 67 setup with everything for sale

    Thank you very much for your offer, my bad behave is that i always try to buy New and not USED even it is great condition, second i was looking at Hasslblad film mostly, third i prefer another Mamiya MF, RZ maybe over RB, and i will not buy it now or very soon, maybe after 1 or 2 years, but i am just reading and searching from now.

    Krakman
    17 Mar 2009 - 12:09 PM
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    Quote: In slightly longer, it depends on the scanner.

    I couldn't agree more. My, 'in short, 'no'' was on the premise that the OP was really asking to what extent grain was intrusively visible, compared to, say, digital.

    On the issue of scanning, my experience is that Epson-type photo scanners, while being amazing things in any ways, are barely good enough for scanning MF film.

    Here's one I prepared earlier, which also shows the amount of grain and detail you might expect from 400 ISO film on 6x7cm film. Note, you would of course get significanly less grain using slower film:-

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    Detail from scan on Hasselblad/Imacon flm scanner

    Detail from scan on Epson Photo scanner

    None of the above have been sharpened/unsharpened - all fresh out of the scanner with no unsharp mask set.

    Last Modified By Krakman at 17 Mar 2009 - 12:10 PM
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