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Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
24 Mar 2012 - 12:28 AM

Relax.............. it's only in the Japanese home market. Grin More than half the of interchangeable lens cameras now sold in Japan are mirrorless. Yet worldwide it is, as yet, only 23%. Quite a discrepancy.

I wonder if that is because of pricing: quite often these CSCs and their lenses and accessories seem a bit pricey - in the UK at any rate. Are manufacturers trying to recoup their R&D etc outside their home market? Hmm.......

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ianrobinson
ianrobinson e2 Member 41107 forum postsianrobinson vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
24 Mar 2012 - 8:31 AM

I got the oly e-p3 and not that impressed considering the price tag of over 700 i still much prefer my canon 7d and 5d mark ii any day of the week.

Ian

keith selmes
24 Mar 2012 - 8:55 AM

It's not really surprising if compact cameras sell more volume than DSLR, but the CSC are pricey for the market they're aimed at.

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
24 Mar 2012 - 11:04 AM


Quote: It's not really surprising if compact cameras sell more volume than DSLR

Fixed lens compacts don't feature in these figures. The point being that, in their home market, people wanting to buy a camera with interchangeable lenses are leaning more towards CSC than DSLR.

Snapper
Snapper  93740 forum posts United States Minor Outlying Islands3 Constructive Critique Points
24 Mar 2012 - 11:35 AM

I think it's a classic case of trying to create a mass market for quite a specialised product that's way beyond the price point for holiday snappers and the like. Youngsters will also prefer to spend a few hundred on the latest phone and accept the camera that is in it, rather than have to carry something else with them. Then there's folk like me who might buy one but not without a viewfinder. Tongue

OTOH, their mass market is at home and it's easy enough to offer the product around the world at very little cost to see how it sells, so no real commercial risk. The other thing of course is that these cameras may not have been made in factories which suffered from the tsunami, so dslr shortages might have had an effect over the past year.

Last Modified By Snapper at 24 Mar 2012 - 11:35 AM
alligatorpants
alligatorpants e2 Member 3alligatorpants vcard Canada
24 Mar 2012 - 11:40 AM

It is inevitable that CSC cameras will overtake DSLR cameras as image quality improves and prices come down. The camera manufacturers are competing to capture this market but it will be at least a couple of years before I buy one. I like my DSLR and still like my film cameras.

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
24 Mar 2012 - 11:51 AM


Quote: Then there's folk like me who might buy one but not without a viewfinder.

There are quite a few CSCs with a built-in viewfinder nowadays, and you can buy a (pricey) VF for all Olympus Pens.


Quote: factories which suffered from the tsunami, so dslr shortages might have had an effect

It's affected CSC production too - especially Sony.


Quote: a specialised product that's way beyond the price point for holiday snappers and the like

If the image quality of some of the latest offerings is independently/professionally proven to be what some say it is, that could be a clincher for some enthusiasts and maybe even a few pros. For example the Oly OM-D is, first of all, said to be better than good APS-C and is now even being compared with the latest full-frame DSLRs costing 2.5x or 3x as much.... see here for instance. That may be OTT but to even bother to do such a comparison suggests the apparent high price of the latest generation of CSCs could be justified.

I think there is still a bit of scepticism in the West that such small devices can produce the goods.


Quote: I like my DSLR and still like my film cameras.

Doesn't that rather say it all? perhaps DSLRs will eventually become a 'specialist'preference - a bit like film cameras these days. Smile


Quote: it will be at least a couple of years before I buy one

Well I took the plunge and swapped my Canon 5D Mk II for an Olympus Pen E-PL2. I am not going to pretend I have absolutely zero regrets - but I have very few indeed. I am hoping the new OM-D will address any lingering regrets, which centre principally on noise-handling.

kodachrome
24 Mar 2012 - 11:58 AM

CSC's are already out selling DSLR's in most markets round the world. Perhaps DSLR's days are numbered, but I suspect that at least Canon, Nikon and may be Pentax and Sony DSLR's/SLT will be aroung a while yet. Canon and Nikon have huge world markets that would be difficult to convert to CSC's over night, It will take a long time to change.
Kodachrome

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
24 Mar 2012 - 12:02 PM

Nikon were a little late to the party but it seems their 1-series is selling quite well. Canon are sulking in the corner! Grin Although to be fair, Canon have registered a patent for what might be a mirrorless camera..... it's not entirely clear. But it can be a long haul from patent to reality.

keith selmes
24 Mar 2012 - 1:31 PM


Quote: Fixed lens compacts don't feature in these figures.

So ? From general observation, most people would rather have a compact camera that fits in a pocket or handbag rather than a large and awkward shaped DSLR. I have no idea what the figures are, its just the way it is.

On the other aspect, I would suggest that very many rangefinder, slr and dslr cameras never had a second lens fitted.
Certainly, from a number of people I know who use either a business DSLR or their own, or both, the only one using multiple lenses is me. They would have bought DSLR for home or business simply because the compacts they had used were not satisfactory, and a DSLR was the obvious alternative. It also would be the obvious product from a multimedia supply catalogue.
They would neither have the budget or the need for extra lenses beyond the kit lens.

Now there are much better choices in compacts, fixed lens or CSC, I'm not really sure why they would go on buying DSLR. Maybe the viewfinder is a big issue, or maybe people who are outside of the mainstream hobbyists aren't so aware of developments.

I think most of them would prefer a more compact, lightweight and packable body, in the same way they replace the old luggable laptop with a slimline model, or with a netbook or a tablet.

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
24 Mar 2012 - 1:44 PM

I think the only issue left is optical viewfinder. But with probably a high (and increasing) proportion of digicam owners never having owned a camera with an OVF, I suspect this will gradually cease to be an issue and the EVF will become the norm

Indeed, watch out for future moans on here, from new DSLR owners, about "my OVF doesn't show me the effects of the special effects settings" Lol! Wink

keith selmes
24 Mar 2012 - 2:03 PM


Quote: future moans on here, from new DSLR owners, about "my OVF doesn't show me the effects of the special effects settings"

It'll happen. Sigh.

keith selmes
24 Mar 2012 - 2:06 PM

People are amazed when I show them the ground glass on a large format camera. Not because it's upside down and back to front, but on a good day, the huge bright detailed picture.

Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
24 Mar 2012 - 2:39 PM


Quote: People are amazed when I show them the ground glass on a large format camera

Even on MF it's pretty impressive......... having seen a Hasselblad in my younger days, it immediately became my dream camera.


Quote: on a good day, the huge bright detailed picture.

And there's the rub, as they say. An EVF can give a sufficiently bright pic even on a dull day and even in poor lighting conditions. Not saying it's better for that reason than an OVF, but people will come to expect it.

keith selmes
24 Mar 2012 - 3:04 PM

yes, has to be a good day, stop down the lens and guess otherwise

unfortunately there also are conditions where an evf is horrible

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