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Murdered Police Officers


collywobles 11 3.5k 9 United Kingdom
23 Sep 2012 8:08PM

Quote:It may not be totally a deterrent but it has one excellent feature - you will never get a re-offender.


Thats fine but what doyou do if ten years down the line new evidence proves that person was innocent, as has been established on many occasions.

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mikehit Plus
5 7.4k 11 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 8:49AM

Quote:
However I was refering to my personal experience where I have examples also.




I'm sure you do have examples, but do they support your premise that the wealthy and powerful are treated differently to the 'man on the street'?

By the way, access to fancy lawyers who can find loopholes does not count as being 'treated differently' - that is merely access to better resources.
Focus_Man 4 481 631 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 9:22AM

Quote:It may not be totally a deterrent but it has one excellent feature - you will never get a re-offender.

Thats fine but what doyou do if ten years down the line new evidence proves that person was innocent, as has been established on many occasions.



There have been far fewer examples of innocent people being hanged than there have been of innocent people being murdered by re-offenders. I know it seems a lousy trade off, but the figures speak for them selves.
mikehit Plus
5 7.4k 11 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 9:37AM
A trade off is OK then. I presume you would take that sanguine view while your clearly-innocent relative/friend is led to the gallows.
"its' alright love, on the balance of things it is reasonable"
Focus_Man 4 481 631 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 12:35PM

Quote:A trade off is OK then. I presume you would take that sanguine view while your clearly-innocent relative/friend is led to the gallows.
"its' alright love, on the balance of things it is reasonable"



So what view would you take as your friend/relative has been murdered by a killer who is on bail waiting his next trial? "Well its better than having another innocent person hanged?"
mikehit Plus
5 7.4k 11 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 12:53PM
So you are equating 'out on bail' with execution (I resume you are not saying that they should be executed instead of being out on bail). Everything of any substance that I read and hear tells me that captial punishment is not a deterrent. It is purely vengeance - and from a previous post (by you if I recall correctly) a money-saving measure.


Now can you respond to my post...? Would you willingly let your friend/relative go to the gallows because it seems in the long run it is justified by the payoff (with the added advantage that in the long run we save money by not jailing real murderers wot did it)?
mrswoolybill Plus
8 638 1165 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 12:55PM
The death penalty and the operation of the parole and bail systems are two totally different questions.

Quote:So what view would you take as your friend/relative has been murdered...

When I was about eight or nine one of my best friends was murdered, a girl I used to play with when staying with my grandparents. I never heard any more, I think I was protected from further news. But the existence of the death penalty didn't protect her, or many others.
The gallows cast a long dark shadow over my childhood in the 1950s, from an early age I was aware that the State was killing people in my name as a citizen. I suspect that younger people, who have not lived with that, could never imagine what it is like. (I grew up in an old-school right-wing family by the way, so that was certainly my own view as a young child, not inculcated). I am immensely thankful that my own daughter has not grown up under such a regime.
Paul Morgan 13 16.4k 6 England
24 Sep 2012 1:10PM
Why don`t you just ask those facing death to tell you what its like Smile

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=406
coliwolii 5 69 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 1:22PM

Quote:I'm sure you do have examples, but do they support your premise that the wealthy and powerful are treated differently to the 'man on the street'?


No I just said that for the hell of it!

Unbelievable!
Focus_Man 4 481 631 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 1:35PM

Quote:So you are equating 'out on bail' with execution (I resume you are not saying that they should be executed instead of being out on bail). Everything of any substance that I read and hear tells me that captial punishment is not a deterrent. It is purely vengeance - and from a previous post (by you if I recall correctly) a money-saving measure.

Now can you respond to my post...? Would you willingly let your friend/relative go to the gallows because it seems in the long run it is justified by the payoff (with the added advantage that in the long run we save money by not jailing real murderers wot did it)?



I didn't say that. I am not equating bail with anything, it IS JUST A FACT that a number of convicted murders having been released after 8 or 9 years have committed further crimes and whilst on bail for those crimes they HAVE KILLED AGAIN.

What I did say that you appear to have missed, is that "Life" should mean "life" that way murderers couldn't commit further crimes.

Now you can reply to my question,I having already replied to yours. "So what view would you take as your friend/relative has been murdered by a killer who is on bail waiting his next trial?" Your previous reply was crazy as you equate 1 innocent person being hanged as worse than 6 innocent people being murdered.
Focus_Man 4 481 631 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 1:40PM

Quote:Why don`t you just ask those facing death to tell you what its like Smile
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=406



I don't know what you are getting at Paul, I believe it is a deterrent as presently some criminals get longer in jail than murderers (Train Robbers eg) If they kill they don't deserve to live, but if they are put away for natural life, then that is a sensible alternative. What is not right is that they are released to kill again.
mikehit Plus
5 7.4k 11 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 2:08PM

Quote:S

Now you can reply to my question,I having already replied to yours. "So what view would you take as your friend/relative has been murdered by a killer who is on bail waiting his next trial?" Your previous reply was crazy as you equate 1 innocent person being hanged as worse than 6 innocent people being murdered.



The commenst were:

Quote:Thats fine but what doyou do if ten years down the line new evidence proves that person was innocent, as has been established on many occasions.


To which you replied:


Quote:There have been far fewer examples of innocent people being hanged than there have been of innocent people being murdered by re-offenders. I know it seems a lousy trade off, but the figures speak for them selves.
(my boldening)

So you seem to be saying that there should be the death penalty and if an innocent person is hanged then the trade off is worth it if on the whole genuine murderers are taken out of the system. In response I was saying the trade-off is not worth it.
You avoided my question again: would you take the same view if it was your innocent friend/relative being hanged? Simple question, really...
mikehit Plus
5 7.4k 11 United Kingdom
24 Sep 2012 2:11PM

Quote:So you are equating 'out on bail' with execution (I resume you are not saying that they should be executed instead of being out on bail). Everything of any substance that I read and hear tells me that captial punishment is not a deterrent. It is purely vengeance - and from a previous post (by you if I recall correctly) a money-saving measure.

...

I didn't say that. I am not equating bail with anything, .



Then what did you mean by:

Quote:So what view would you take as your friend/relative has been murdered by a killer who is on bail waiting his next trial?

The use or otherwise of the death penalty would have no bearing on crimes committed by a man on bail. The reason he is on bail is that he has not been tried, and so would not be liable to the death penalty.


Unless of course you are confusing 'out on license' with 'out on bail'.
Carabosse Plus
12 39.7k 269 England
24 Sep 2012 2:16PM

Quote:would you take the same view if it was your innocent friend/relative being hanged?


Yes that does focus the issue quite well.

If it was your son/daughter, or spouse/partner or other loved one who had been hanged but later found to be innocent, would an "Oops, sorry!" be sufficient and would you accept the mistake as a fair trade-off for capital punishment?
petebfrance 3 1.3k France
24 Sep 2012 2:19PM

Quote:If it was your son/daughter, or spouse/partner or other loved one who had been hanged but later found to be innocent, would an "Oops, sorry!" be sufficient and would you accept the mistake as a fair trade-off for capital punishment?


....or, of course, if it were you.

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